High Speed Rail Project (HSRP)

DAB_City · September 18, 2011, 01:54:22 AM

Elevated Rail can't do tunnels because EA/Maxis expects us to use the ELR<>Subway Transition. Onslope transitions are available for both GLR and ELR. Monorail can do tunnels, but it requires a 24m clearance on either side. I wonder whether it would be possible to do (E)HSR tunnels by changing the textures or similar..?

jondor · September 18, 2011, 08:35:50 AM

Quote from: DAB_City on September 18, 2011, 01:54:22 AM
Elevated Rail can't do tunnels because EA/Maxis expects us to use the ELR<>Subway Transition. Onslope transitions are available for both GLR and ELR. I believe Monorail can do tunnels, but that requires either a 24m or 30m clearance (I can't remember which). I wonder whether it would be possible to do (E)HSR tunnels by changing the textures or similar..?

The other problem with tunnels is that each network can have exactly ONE tunnel model. I believe the RAM project intends to get around this by removing the default model (or rather using an empty model so the pathing still works), and having ploppable cosmetic tunnel pieces for the different rail networks. But it's still in the development stage.

DAB_City · September 19, 2011, 08:51:10 AM

I've actually constructed a HSR/Monorail tunnel in one of my cities, and I have uploaded the photos. Obviously, the tunnel textures do not match, but I will test this soon to see if it works. Perhaps this will help you in the future?

EDIT: It does work! I'm using this exploit in the Simford Airport High-Speed (SAHS), which will be featuring in the Timbuktu Region Diary soon.

Phlogiston · October 18, 2011, 10:19:41 AM

I hope you could release a minor update that could change the old overpasses-over-GHSR to be the same as the NAM 30 overpasses.

And I also would like to request in your next major update to have a HSR over RHW, ortho-ortho, diagonal-diagonal, diagonal-orthogonal, and orthogonal-diagonal, plus diagonal GHSR on slope transition...
Thanks

Tarkus · October 18, 2011, 10:57:27 AM

Quote from: Phlogiston on October 18, 2011, 10:19:41 AM
I hope you could release a minor update that could change the old overpasses-over-GHSR to be the same as the NAM 30 overpasses.

See the file attached below.

Quote from: Phlogiston on October 18, 2011, 10:19:41 AM
And I also would like to request in your next major update to have a HSR over RHW, ortho-ortho, diagonal-diagonal, diagonal-orthogonal, and orthogonal-diagonal, plus diagonal GHSR on slope transition...
Thanks

There aren't really any plans going forward with HSRP right now. It's likely to be merged into the NAM Core as part of the "monolithic NAM" plan, along with the RHW, NWM, etc., which will probably make it a bit easier to update on the whole, actually, but there's not really been any development for some time now. We're not declaring it a "dead project" by any means, but it's not exactly a high priority, either.

-Alex

thornyjohny · November 08, 2011, 08:01:01 AM

Has an HSR-GHSR transition been released(I can't find one) and if it hasn't, is one being planned?

io_bg · November 08, 2011, 08:45:39 AM

There are two in the current HSR release - a ramp one and an on-slope piece.

DAB_City · November 08, 2011, 09:03:06 AM

^ They are in the GHSR Starter Piece menu, press TAB until you find them.

TiFlo · November 10, 2011, 04:24:43 AM

Tarkus, the link to your attachment for the Nam3.0/GHSR overpass gives me an "index.php" file. Am I missing something?

WC_EEND · November 10, 2011, 04:50:32 AM

it works fine on my end, maybe try redownloading?

TiFlo · November 10, 2011, 01:09:17 PM

For whatever reason, it seems firefox was the culprit. I tried downloading from IE9, and it worked without a hitch. No idea what's wrong though.

Thank you!

SCWTC4 · November 10, 2011, 01:50:21 PM

that's strange, i've downloaded the same file with Firefox and all went right...

jdenm8 · November 10, 2011, 06:35:17 PM

That's because you probably didn't click the link, you right-clicked and selected "Save link as".

That'll grab the PHP file designed to grab the download, not the download itself.

TiFlo · November 10, 2011, 06:40:58 PM

Both clicking the link and right-clicking to "save as" gave me the "index.php" file. No biggie anyway.

thornyjohny · November 10, 2011, 08:50:03 PM

Try opening the link in a new tab or window.

TiFlo · November 11, 2011, 07:13:11 AM

Same things.

noahclem · December 15, 2011, 04:47:37 AM

Quote from: jondor on September 18, 2011, 08:35:50 AM
Quote from: DAB_City on September 18, 2011, 01:54:22 AM
Elevated Rail can't do tunnels because EA/Maxis expects us to use the ELR<>Subway Transition. Onslope transitions are available for both GLR and ELR. I believe Monorail can do tunnels, but that requires either a 24m or 30m clearance (I can't remember which). I wonder whether it would be possible to do (E)HSR tunnels by changing the textures or similar..?

The other problem with tunnels is that each network can have exactly ONE tunnel model. I believe the RAM project intends to get around this by removing the default model (or rather using an empty model so the pathing still works), and having ploppable cosmetic tunnel pieces for the different rail networks. But it's still in the development stage.

There's actually been a lot of exciting stuff going on with tunnels lately, with rivit's new tunnel mod on the STEX. As I understand it, it is already possible to have both standard rail tunnels and STR tunnels existing simultaneously in the same tile, without requiring cosmetic pieces hiding the actual entrance. Unfortunately I've been too busy lately to actually implement that (though I have switched to his new tunnels, including the 7.5m height road ones--I'm not sure why he warns that they should only be used by advanced users as all the necessary files (slope mods with altered road tunnel heights) are included in the download)).

Based on what's been done with the mod it seems entirely possible to have both HSR and monorail tunnels existing simultaneously, but I don't think having both HSR & GHSR would be possible. I always thought that going straight from 15m elevated to a tunnel seemed a bit silly anyway though....

DAB_City · December 15, 2011, 05:37:27 AM

Quote from: noahclem on December 15, 2011, 04:47:37 AM
Quote from: jondor on September 18, 2011, 08:35:50 AM
Quote from: DAB_City on September 18, 2011, 01:54:22 AM
Elevated Rail can't do tunnels because EA/Maxis expects us to use the ELR<>Subway Transition. Onslope transitions are available for both GLR and ELR. I believe Monorail can do tunnels, but that requires either a 24m or 30m clearance (I can't remember which). I wonder whether it would be possible to do (E)HSR tunnels by changing the textures or similar..?

The other problem with tunnels is that each network can have exactly ONE tunnel model. I believe the RAM project intends to get around this by removing the default model (or rather using an empty model so the pathing still works), and having ploppable cosmetic tunnel pieces for the different rail networks. But it's still in the development stage.

There's actually been a lot of exciting stuff going on with tunnels lately, with rivit's new tunnel mod on the STEX. As I understand it, it is already possible to have both standard rail tunnels and STR tunnels existing simultaneously in the same tile, without requiring cosmetic pieces hiding the actual entrance. Unfortunately I've been too busy lately to actually implement that (though I have switched to his new tunnels, including the 7.5m height road ones--I'm not sure why he warns that they should only be used by advanced users as all the necessary files (slope mods with altered road tunnel heights) are included in the download)).

Based on what's been done with the mod it seems entirely possible to have both HSR and monorail tunnels existing simultaneously, but I don't think having both HSR & GHSR would be possible. I always thought that going straight from 15m elevated to a tunnel seemed a bit silly anyway though....

I've got the tunnel mod, and although I'm only using the Heavy Rail feature, it's a lot better than the "rusty" Maxis portal default. I love rivit!

And about possible (E)HSR tunnels: I've used them in my Simford Airport High-Speed project (which I am not able to work on any more, unfortunately...). The obvious benefit of Monorail-based tunnelling is a fully high-speed route, but using HSR<>Subway converters means that you don't need to convert between GHSR and (E)HSR, to line the portals up. Subway tunnelling, although it runs at a slower speed (I think), allows curves and junctions in the underground route. The portals, alas, will not be implemented into the NAM, I presume (TE-Lot policy).

I hope that this has helped with ideas for future development.

dubselector · January 05, 2012, 12:57:17 PM

Hey Dab, about yer exploit and non-matching textures, use a plop tunnel to cover it. I believe when I was running the game on my Mac I had come across a tunnel entrance that was supposed to work as a subway converter but when you plop it, your able to drag the network through it and continue on with the tunnel (also works with latest tunnels for Road,Ave and such), I'm not sure if the city-folk are going to automatically hop on the subway, but as far as drawpaths is concerned and UDI it's all good. I never bothered hooking up the subway come to think of it, and people were rolling through there all the time. Hope that helps.

DAB_City · January 07, 2012, 10:00:23 AM

Sounds interesting... I'll have to see where I can find some. I tried the STR tunnel portals recently, they're not perfect, but they do the trick.