Has anyone tried the beta release of Windows 7? I downloaded it about a few days ago and well, I was satisfied. They say its boot time is faster than that of XP SP3 and well, I didn't time it, but I would agree that the loading time was pretty fast. They say that the beta is stable which is why I downloaded it. I could finally play DX10 rendered games, but the thing is, the OS has DX 11! I wasn't able to maximize the enjoyment though. I played World in Conflict, a DX10 game, and though it was rendered in DX10, it ran slow like the previous one. I installed this OS beta in my second hard drive which isn't really what I call fast. In my opinion, what made it slow was the hard drive cause the rest of my system had the same specs. That's just about it. I'll be trying Sim City 4 in Windows 7. Until then ;D.
I think it is a bigger improvement over Vista, one thing I noticed is that the UAC isn't so annoying. Also I like the new libraries, I didn't understand them at first but now I do, I played SC4 on it, and did some modding(SC4Tool still doesn't work though) and it was just about the same as on Vista(but the Computer I was using was considerably worse). And the jumplists, do make things easier to open. Although the taskbar takes getting used to. (annoying thing is I kept accidentally "previewing the desktop") Also the way of maximising and changing the size of windows is just simple. It seems more stream lined than Vista, and I'll probably be upgrading when it's released and I can afford it.
Jonathan
any screenies to what this OS looks like? or for that any linkie ;) :D
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2009, 12:02:02 AM
any screenies to what this OS looks like? or for that any linkie ;) :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2009, 12:02:02 AM
any screenies to what this OS looks like? or for that any linkie ;) :D
Here is Windows 7 Beta being featured at the CES 2009 from TigerDirectBlog.
http://www.youtube.com/v/-udvmpuJs1A (http://www.youtube.com/v/-udvmpuJs1A)
EDIT: So, I played SimCity 4 on Windows XP...
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/E2vqrjYY13Fkag7Z0VSpzGRp3vz-J87eEOQ2gO9M9Ma8XcvZv9fwa932B8N6OfJUzGCdJvQ8OFJPYZhZE2Wwwy8Lo_Dc9zIS650_2qvXHvr89nPt2HHsL5mJxtUUZtVjHuJ99ZI13T2grBkvHMVDBU2jJbUgUURQrHg2SzoS3sU9LdzpNg1RwVItR-IeS6SWIZfL8Lnh01PVrweXX-EmSKDZuHWSjEdnQ7qGKYRn34gHffJbIMoLn8zZq3CP27oOiA0pAoPuMm6T8Jay4FFGn6s-nWLlywEctZfGP1fDAcAWcGO7KoCyLapx44UNsQFrjEO5J0SdXtREmE6s096S7syR18J3bIQzbFIAi0kRNyetoJf2Vq_QavLcdjwgl2bmhsOj54pziRYliBNzqai70FqpfZANcmeOr3A3O8pDBeQhwmPHFJKWgheA1-6fW9-Z1WQub3zAf9MeBbPFCYV4Aoush5z-Dr0653T6fYpAcCYhN4T56mnp4kEmXfOUrKpkKUMPtpFw2jQHosZQCVtNAoTPlsnWo6VYGi_URKhkbqLsMOfM_NgKicvdHpP_1oXV3pbAB9-PUs1ODMjMgAFer1Bb0jQ6Btav6-qA36H_ITshsGAFDnsw2nPv98qTTvzLFKS4d6vqT6GLhyGPTCQRbaE0gOwgwi7SvsiTm--xLeEPUZ-5sgxizbKWrWVP=w800-h640-no?authuser=0)
...and on Windows 7 Beta.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pp8ggPGG8CO92LdA5plDn1HLU6tNAIvRb03vsCOCuFG41P7QsA7IwLqcr-z-P2OJdUPHhJhU62P-pTS9rDrLud-4ZxG-F6aRNix4p8e1vyN0-tZFMspwWbpiisKXJn5DbTSPvRHqRJ4A-8ccvKMGBrMI9QSjRWQIapjzbvj2Ujrsv9MnvmEp013ibRyquwxB1aod0LPyQqn7H03mWV1MRfASNcGjMX3iTUdYtMvP9PG0CNrZSPn92BtKDfu0nKXfAkiSfALML9Hm47R84iMWOfGvcjg1klEYLyEP9AJ41xzr1_auyHuZ_1bZa_z7hf9epOU7uOtzN_S25MHF7Q2Xo0fbSQheF2a75zB_j_IGVjsCTBrMK3QNr8kk0WpPUoRHdcCjRnlsO-x1DAWnIJKwDNuMYa2HcP2GbW6AidmqiuazTY83eUSntoRb9Hq7mGpNQGNsFVEK6H0-uqIUjfJ426b1gggrPOxTVmgpmC3RUKlwscpVUeN_BmkhBvUUNeM5fSJkjTs_LUEyccntN9YxKtDDzRx9IeExLEj0URSsCAvqpcx5opKYwD4rm3HooSiC4H7IMW8P9gLlivnBtrGw-wSZaUQzUFyU-7vxv5dwGiY5qd948KiYtTqiDtNiZZHQU05QLkIqUAsAFeRRC4zA1A2aR-nGLm8-ka_7-AhS3610ffZrdGeyhsABS0C5=w800-h640-no?authuser=0)
Don't mind fraps, I just had this idea that it was gonna be faster on Windows 7 but it's just about the same performance.
hmmm intresting to say the least there!!!
After trying out the beta, there are a few problems that I encountered:
1. The ethernet LAN seems to be slower than XP under the same settings. Bad drivers is my guess. However, WiFi was not affected and worked normally.
2. IE8 is buggy. It can't render sites such as... need I say... SC4D (yeah, I'm using IE8 to type this post right now :D), citiesxl and possibly many more (one website actually says that IE8 couldn't render more than 2,000 websites :D), but you can just install other internet apps like IE7 or Mozilla if you want this to be avoided.
3. SC4Mapper doesn't seem to run at all (It's possible I have that missing file problem again but I copied an exact replica of my SC4Mapper folder with the needed files already there and put it in this drive). DatPacker works fine though.
I wouldn't get discouraged though. Since it's still in beta, things are not yet final and bugs will hopefully get fixed. If there are problems, it's best that they are reported so that we get what we want when the final product comes out. It seems that the release date is moved earlier to September, 2009 (I wish they could move it earlier though since the beta runs out on August 1, 2009). I certainly can't wait to get my hands on this one ;D.
Cool. Thanks for testing.
I'm going to buy this version for sure... for some reason my computer lags even with technically strong performance (Core 2 Quad Q8200, 4GB DDR RAM, 600 GB HD).
The problem could be however related to the fact that it was purchased from Staples (I should probably never buy computers from mass-production manufacturers again).
- Allan Kuan
I've dual-booted Windows 7 on the same computer I have Windows XP Professional installed.
Processor Name: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz
Videocard Name: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS
Installed Memory: 1,535.48 MB
It may be that I need more memory, etc but my computer keeps freezing when I am using it in Windows 7, that said I definitely like the look of it when it does work, but I will be sticking with WinXP Pro "$Deal"$
You might want a little more processing power too... or upgrade the GPU... both might contribute to your problem...
Memory seems fine though.
- Allan Kuan
Remember what I said about it being unable to render properly SC4D? Well, I just viewed the 3RR thread and here's a little sample.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pmoc0D7P_mp1_fppbUm4rJ445QwJBYNM1JvCNYC8CR-O3cMwXtt2T-GHjKkRgX78pwTpL1lQqVgEzmOVCAspKHX1bH-UQrhpZAa2SrRrle40pl5BPW_5vAqgc4YCyew61xUvU8Oh5DVH9A34NVN0O_eZ3quPfmLxikXF0ahj3-nsNjmXNp-qE3QhSIbwIwVIDydN9uQhTyL22e0w5tExcXPrjZPsxSub2jPwUINWRMVXzfiWFUYCcv-MUw2uex_gAmjnFpryIWT7HkqgqMmPoCFRNHWGRTfqFcvaWpHQMZGMl4dLIJheWRDKsCuD3aOiChkruAZ-X6TXl8YYjKd6q86BKDg9jXLF2Rn17dzoFGEgFuitmEkwrlBJY-f_4Svlf8winp-oKiRI7XuBBfbC9c1QD2itDm-dKmxzY5QDU-Sy-b6Zi23mv_fFw-IIaesG41zrL3HRkH9tUd6JhV-5ecJIlzDhjmn2S82K4NklbfoSrR7iAEP3NiXc9hlbB9tK--6G0tl8j-oVJtIn9gedOkBAV5K3O8N3xt5-qRXbDWcQI8QlBVp3Icg0j4qnuzdKjNdsVpy21h1YoSmqlG2240HgCC3D95oWfTkznlH12p1o49uJO8J_kzmBOfibsyZSvznqUP13lGoaqd7tHEUx4nJH3ZxPbCQlj37E-4vRytOQUXBsz11S2AKwcgnM=w800-h640-no?authuser=0)
If you refresh, it will get a number of times until it renders it right and so, I can ignore that. This is unacceptable.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZWLJvbEE4ynNu6AjDbn8WNs0Z_M7yGWXzcD-c4n26eZndcTNwJtlmTlgaWWIHE62M5F9-WN_nPx9_Eyyt8yUm7S0VZ7YLwYjgGm8vwaf0A23Y7Lp4rN-aezgjmJkvAVY3qtvI1fRjKQ-9hQaanMhuODIG4kMp2C-8ZMq8M3H2xX3sEC4cabpFxucIdKuAMZt9jEWqux1uZdWETZkuFiG4dEhFC56DRUeAADP3HoIVZTTBravbqN9oF9shXnf2Y662oIChPzT7260a67TQgRMhHTZRADzS3rwkb5Yh4whIwxKAYlPqov08XVJPEhu3PEqJmTO9Mn_7j4tlPdGV8AJUIHVgF74q8g0LuBCg39yeXgSVDPD7kpnzyfRYNCh4d4ttTxuEYWC1jaTt1UifLmgmvXTrS9hVj0JQDmXde9nQmVFkAzU7313AY63etzL-dj0zyeICJY74W_60xy-vfMBuASPc5gq1Hn-1lRJJ6MgkPjQuHtZfjpt6IylGVuI50AzywnplmFgMMBHLzMMB04o1RZ4Px60qJmiN_WpfjPwskBoF1Vxs8VoaGrIH_DAeCI4QqyzCXeKyOt0iniKrR8Xcu8Azhrc0ctPblXKgW61ZGGBxjfRER9Hc6TgI_7Mwg-nhEzHHOs5tPWsr8WcZKUtZ1e4NqBxMEXVSASQOxCZLBA_Mj9aaCEPPsZ0tfzz=w800-h640-no?authuser=0)
Well somewhat unacceptable. If you maximize it, it will render it correctly. It's not really that unacceptable, but it does give you a broken feeling.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4mBwkHWSF4u5Qxcj8iCoA22tAIgPWd5BUT5BOx1rds1Kl9lpS3h_btD7nQkGSD-c3wz2_k1hSUCXL_tJNGak-TuE65OalCX6xGEBghE5FnXI8OCwt8uarbKf9GMe0BWz_VtE8oClXHw4mAUyZmQO4db03H3hjbFYREBJvPOTpUJwOZB4sJYeSN1EQK55V9Zqvv_BuLUcKpMTmw3DSvk9hpAgxRJJLQdwSFxE1MBS_yDmKlPZoy6V6pE4BKqHHI1PiLi_3utE_8TjEeRuFg1D9Dr3H0V3lwwRUX6V2tKszNSb2cA8XNR2B62339WcmIZRsUHZmEevS8Nh3xUGvd7v3Ze9E0v6sh4gHzRLXOeMdBvgQUZvKodeNcuaguYelEyeYEo_m1BGfepTvcjv2qNjdfEzH31TmTtk0cskBRnRZisEZdfvfMSwGARuTMQhyCHGGFVYF3N4ugy2QBFWGrdvKk9jLT_un9ZDh3rAkJoQRusNHiH15LGbwvqY01iY_qWigkOMH7oNc_Jfd7gzIp8b0OSxbFsCAzF4VfoERXssKYPdUviLbeVGyYi-ffVPhttlbDdOWZvCuiSyQ0GzOHddW0PyrMZn2kSJu94QkcTx_7yMvW8IOZ8Dtn_W64qqHIxY_l7_Ol6FyT4VKt6zJ3oUqiRsALL0cLgcqNLw4mCsZsDx5ts9i44PuMfr9XSU=w800-h640-no?authuser=0)
I'm not sure if this is an improvement or a problem. I can see more of the picture at least :P.
Still hopeful that it will be fixed the way we want it though :).
Have to wait for Firefox to get all the new 7 features, (an address bar in the jumplist would be a nice idea), and whats great over Vista is that you can totally disable IE in Windows 7, using the Turn Windows Features On Or Off feature (in Control Panel>Uninstall programs)
Jonathan
frdcklim - To get SC4D to render correctly in Internet Explorer 8 (as seen in those screenshots), click the 'Compatibility Mode' button to the left of the 'Refresh' button.
SC4D should show correctly then.
Quote from: burgsabre87 on March 12, 2009, 08:15:14 PM
frdcklim - To get SC4D to render correctly in Internet Explorer 8 (as seen in those screenshots), click the 'Compatibility Mode' button to the left of the 'Refresh' button.
SC4D should show correctly then.
Thanks. Will take not of that ;)
Just to let you guys know. About three weeks ago, Windows 7 Build 7100 or Release Candidate 1 was opened to the public. This Pre-release extends the deadline use from August 1, 2009 for the Beta to June 1, 2010 for the RC. That would mean that by the time Windows 7 is publicly released, which is said to be before 2010, you would still be able to use Windows 7 for free :o. There is a download deadline though, which is by July, 2009, which is still kinda far, but download away ;D.
wheres the linkie at mildirk???
I've been running Win 7 on my laptop and am pleasantly surprised. The only thing I can't seem to do is to move My Dcouments to my data partition. I have SUM, SC4PIM, SC4Mapper and SC4 all running with no problems. I ned to check SC4Tools but I think I have that working too.
Edit: I can get SC4Tool to run but it isn't reading all my plugins and seems to have no way to configure it at the moment.
That link is here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx)
I got my copy on May 5th, the day the Release Candidate was released to the public and installed it on a virtual machine in Microsoft Virtual PC 2007.
I use it to test my programs under Vista or later ;)
Thanks for the link! Downloading now. Quick question: I have two SATA drives which I am dual booting x64XP and my x64 Vista installs (one per Disc)
Will I be able to install this RC over the XP install without killing Vistas BCD like x64 Xp did? It truly was a pain in the butt to fix!
Jayson
By the way I do have Vista Boot pro , so I guess if all else fails.....
Sorry I wasn't able to give a link Pat. The thing is, you need to have Windows Live ID to download it. Oh yeah, you need a DVD-RW since the download is in a different format. Also, have a safe download. Word is that copies of the OS on other file sharing sites have trojans. It's the new trend so be careful and download straight from Windows :).
@sithlrd98:
Xp killed your bootmanager because it is the older OS anbd as such it cannot know / identify Vista or Windows 7 bootmanager or boot tables. If you want to have both of them you must either install the older OS before the newer ones or restore the MBR after installing the older one. Had that proplem with XP and Windows 7.
If you install Windows 7 after Vista you shouldn't have proplems. BTW you don't need separate hard drives for each OS, a separate partition is enough! ;)
Just be careful during installation as there shall be an upgrade option from vista to Windows 7 (don't now for sure, I don't even want to touch Vista ... $%Grinno$%)
In general I have to completely agree with BarbyW - I had always problems with the SATA driver and the soundcard under XP - the latter mostly with SC4 which made me not playing SC4 for months. With Windows 7 beta and Windows 7 RC I haven't had any problems and was positively surprised by its performance (especially Windows 7 RC) on my rather old machine.
The only problem that doesn't run like it should is Sc4Tool which behaves on my PC exact the same as BarbyW described.
I finally got SC4Tool running properly although it is running under XP compatability mode and asks every time before it is opened. It takes a long time for the top menu bar to respond but I eventually was able to configure the paths. It is now reading my MyDocs\plugins folder - not much use at the moment as I have only a dat packed playing folder installed. ::)
I am gradually liking Windows 7 more and more and will probably be happy to pay for it when it is finally released - I never even wanted to think about upgrading to Vista.
To run Sc4Tool you need to turn off Aero when it's running(on Vista and 7), there's something about the shadows on the menus that Aero doesn't like.
In the compatibility tab just tick disable desktop composition and Aero will be disabled every time you run Sc4Tool. Or you could just use the XP mode in windows 7 and it should run fine. Really it would be great if the shadows were just removed from the menus as they are very unimportant but are quite annoying.
Also with people actually even thinking of upgrading to 7 then more and more people are going to want to use Sc4Tool on it so a compatible version really should be made.
Jonathan
Quote from: Jonathan on May 28, 2009, 02:59:08 AM
Also with people actually even thinking of upgrading to 7 then more and more people are going to want to use Sc4Tool on it so a compatible version really should be made.
Unfortunately, a new version of SC4Tool would mean to recreate it from scratch. simrolle told me that the main reason for not updating the program anymore was because his development tools were not working any longer. He even started to create another program with the same features, but then got swamped by RL. I haven't heard from him since quite some time (although I've seen him online occasionally), but I doubt he will have the time to create a full-blown program again.
I use Vista. The problem I have in SC4tool is that text entry boxes, such as where paths for textures are in Texture Creator, are all blacked out. This occurs in all compatability modes. I can't get to transit enabler without running in compatibility mode windows 2000. Can someone PM me if they know how to fix it. I already have tried all different compatibility mode options, and gotten the the file (I cant recall the name, something.dll or something) that is needed in Vista. Please help me, if you can.
Quote from: Nardo69 on May 28, 2009, 02:23:04 AM
@sithlrd98:
Xp killed your bootmanager because it is the older OS anbd as such it cannot know / identify Vista or Windows 7 bootmanager or boot tables. If you want to have both of them you must either install the older OS before the newer ones or restore the MBR after installing the older one. Had that proplem with XP and Windows 7.
If you install Windows 7 after Vista you shouldn't have proplems. BTW you don't need separate hard drives for each OS, a separate partition is enough! ;)
Just be careful during installation as there shall be an upgrade option from vista to Windows 7 (don't now for sure, I don't even want to touch Vista ... $%Grinno$%)
Yeah , I found that out the hard way! The comp. came with Vista pre-loaded , and after having a few issues I decided to buy x64 XP. The reason for 2 drives basically is the fact that if either drive craps out , I still have an OS to boot into. This is the way I've always done it! As I woke this morning , it's 100% done so I guess I know what I'm doing this evening!
joelyboy911 : What I had tio do , and it's the same thing I had to do for Reader , is actually manually configure the "Settings.txt". This file is found under System in the SC4tool folder:The main things I had to input were The Paths:
<settings>
<data>
<name>SortierKriterium</name>
<value>A</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>SortierKriteriumBAT</name>
<value>A</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>FarbSchema</name>
<value>Standard</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>SC4Path</name>
<value>C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>SC4LocalPath</name>
<value>C:\Users\Jayson\Documents\SimCity 4\Plugins</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>User</name>
<value>Standard</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>TL</name>
<value>4091019264</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>TU</name>
<value>4091543551</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>StartupProgramm</name>
<value>0</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>ShowIntro</name>
<value>False</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>TEModus</name>
<value>E</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>CreateBackup</name>
<value>False</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>FormatDate</name>
<value>yyyy-MM-dd</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>LanguageFiles</name>
<value>Deutsch.xml!07!0;English.xml!23!1;Dutch.xml!12!0;Portugues.xml!02!0;Castellano.xml!19!0;Suomi.xml!05!0;Italiano.xml!09!0</value>
</data>
</settings>Jayson
Quote from: Andreas on May 28, 2009, 03:03:39 AM
Unfortunately, a new version of SC4Tool would mean to recreate it from scratch. simrolle told me that the main reason for not updating the program anymore was because his development tools were not working any longer. He even started to create another program with the same features, but then got swamped by RL. I haven't heard from him since quite some time (although I've seen him online occasionally), but I doubt he will have the time to create a full-blown program again.
I heard the Business edition will have a Virtual XP or maybe that was all versions :-\. I saw a footage from BBC Click that Virtual XP is something like opening a window and that window is your desktop in XP form. This will be able to run apps that were compatible with XP but no longer in succeeding operating systems.
So far so good...Got reader,SC4tool and of course SC4 running(although guess what , still got that strange graphic problem. Oh well , guess my 'puter don't like SC4!) CS2, FF & TB(with all my settings)
Did not have to download 1 single driver for anything , saw network,internet with no problems (unlike Vista)
I only lost my back-up"Restore" partion BCD , of course I did buy the Restore disc from HP , so I'm not totally outta luck. Because of the way I chose to install (Separate Drives) , I did have to "repair" the BCD , but that only took a couple of minuets. With SC4tool , all you need to do is , like Jonathan said , turn off the same junk you did in Vista , and replace the Fishlib.dll with the one that Null45 did. Only had it up for a couple of hours , but I do like "Aero Peak"!
Oh , and just like with Vista , if you use "invert selection" , you will have to enable it.
Jayson
Well, I've been messing with the Virtual XP add-on , and so far it is useless! It will not play SC4 , keeps saying that it can't initialize Direct Draw , even though I updated the DX. I can not figure out how to get it to use more than 256 mg Ram...the help file is , well non-existent. Has anyone else tried it yet?
Got it to see 3gigs
Jayson
Quote from: sithlrd98 on May 29, 2009, 10:23:35 AM
Well, I've been messing with the Virtual XP add-on , and so far it is useless! It will not play SC4 , keeps saying that it can't initialize Direct Draw , even though I updated the DX. I can not figure out how to get it to use more than 256 mg Ram...the help file is , well non-existent. Has anyone else tried it yet?
Got it to see 3gigs
Jayson
I played SC4 on the Virtual XP, in fact I have 3 virtual machines installed now :) You are right, it says that it can't intialize Direct Draw, but if I click OK, the game is loaded ;D As I remember, I've got another communicate several times: Direct Draw can't be intialized in hardware mode, it will be intialized in siftware mode instead (which is probably natural in the virtual machine, but I'm not a prrofessionalist and such themes are above my head ;)). It was quite comfortable, because I had only SC4 and a few SC4 tools installed - no problems with multiple core processors, no antivirus, no other software making their mysterious job in the background ;D. So the game was running smoothly without any CTDs or other problems. The only disadvantage was the game played on the virtual machine was much much slower than normal. My CPU is AMD Dual Core 3800+ 2,01 GHz and 2 GB RAM. When you are installing the virtual machine you have to decide how much RAM will it use, you must leave at least 512 MB for your "main" computer, I decided to assign about 1,35 GB to the Virtual PC. But I have a feeling it's not a matter of the RAM amount, my SC4 needed usually about 1 GB. But something else happens what causes that the virtual machine is significantly slower.
The main advantage of playing SC4 on the Virtual PC is that you can return to the previous system state even if you made something wrong in your city and saved the game. For example if I tested new stuff, I used to save the game, then open it again to see if the new plugin doesn't cause any conflict. But I must do it in the same session ie before closing the virtual machine.It happened earlier several times that I wasn't able to open the city tile after installing the corrupted plugin. Now I can check it. If the game doesn't want to open the city tile, I close the Virtual PC but I choose an option "Don't commit changes in the virtual hard disk" and everything returns to the state before session. This is because everything you do during the session is saved separately, and disks are merged when you are closing the virtual machine. Before this moment you can "undo" everything you did.
Sometimes, if I did something I accept, I close and restart the virtual machine to prevent my work before losing. If I would make something wrong later and decide to don't save changes, my previous work made during the same session would be lost.
Anyway, it has both good and bad sides. Great for testing, not so good to play in cities with a lot of custom content (or my computer is simply too weak ;D)
Adam
Edit: So maybe it would be a solution for Vista or Windows 7 users to have SC4 Tool installed on the Virtual PC with XP installed on it? Moving files back and forth is easy. You can move files from your main screen to the virtual machine window, open them in SC4 Tool and make what do you want, then move back to your main system. In fact I do it with Reader from some time. Some time ago I had to reinstall Windows (I use XP), and for some strange reason Reader doesn't want to work properly from that time. But it works perfectly in the Virtual PC. So I move my mods to the virtual machine to open them in Reader and come back when I make everything I need. It's a bit annoying but doesn't take much time.
I thought the windows Xp mode let you have an Xp window on the same desktop as your vista windows? Would the program then use files from the virtual Xp machine or vista ?
I'd try it but got sidetracked by my iPhone and BGT. :D
Jonathan
You can have "XP"on top of Win7 , minimize out of XP, copy from WIN7 into XP and back. When you install on the Virtual OS , it stores all info into a Virtual HDD.
As far as SC4 and direct draw , I have tried multiple times , and have been unsucseesful , but I think part of it is what it sees as my video card...gonna try messing with it more this weekend.
Jayson
This is the only picture I could find:
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwindows7news.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F05%2Fwindows_xp_mode.jpg&hash=5e97c1fbb9e45f5c1cbe7a1137c91b5f194d6e59)
Jonathan
Here it is slightly minimized...still messing with it.
1400x900
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Jayson
OK so is Win7 worth it??? Yea or Nay??
Sorry about that short post before, I was pushing the time as it was.
Here's what I've got:
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Works well in the fact that the menus are fine, and ther arent those delays, but I have tried using it yet because I have to set the paths and SC4 isnt installed yet.
You just install it on the XP Mode and then right click the XP start button and Open All users, then copy the icon from the XP desktop to it.
Then in Windows 7 in All Programs > Windows Virtual PC>Virtual Windows XP Applications there will be an icon for Sc4Tool.
Jonathan
So... You can use SC4Tool in Windows 7 (thanks to the virtual machine)? :)
As for loading SC4 - as I remember, after receiving the communicate "cannot initialize Direct Draw" and clicking OK, nothing happens for quite a while, and you can think it's unsuccessful. But wait patiently, it will load. The whole loading time with this break is much longer than usual $%Grinno$%, but at least you can avoid such surprises as described lately by fighter jingyu in the "Show Us your seaports" thread.
If you will still have problems, I will check it (I didn't play SC4 this way from some time) and take screenshots.
Adam
Edit: A tip - if you installed the Virtual PC, it is good to make its copy, it is very simple. When you will have everything messed up and don't want to use your current virtual machine yet, you can move files to the fresh one and then simply delete an old one. It is much more simple and quick than reinstalling Windows if you have only one PC ;D
You can have multiple virtual machines and make additional hard disk(s) which will be shared between them.
As I remember, there is also an option to create shared folders (to exchange data between VPC and the main PC), but I had problems with this feature. But the drag and drop method of copying files to and from VPC worked always good. Sometimes I got a false communicate "cannot move the file, it is used by another person or program", but the file was copied anyway.
Quote from: Pat on May 29, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
OK so is Win7 worth it??? Yea or Nay??
Well , since your still a Vista "Noob" ;D , I'm not sure if you've delved into the actual good stuff Vista has(Yes , there are some useful things)
I have found that those useful things are in 7 , and a few new things. I don't know how useful Virtual XP will be , it seems it is better suited for users of "Legacy" USB stuff , so that they can use that scanner from 5 years ago that has no Vista drivers.
I will say that I finally got SC4 to run in VirtXP , but it is excruciatingly slow , it can only run in software mode , and the Virtual Video can not be upgraded.
One thing I did like in Vista was the desktop switcher , which I can't find yet in 7,but here is a neat little thing...
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Quote from: Ennedi on May 30, 2009, 05:06:48 AM
So... You can use SC4Tool in Windows 7 (thanks to the virtual machine)? :)
As for loading SC4 - as I remember, after receiving the communicate "cannot initialize Direct Draw" and clicking OK, nothing happens for quite a while, and you can think it's unsuccessful. But wait patiently, it will load. The whole loading time with this break is much longer than usual $%Grinno$%, but at least you can avoid such surprises as described lately by fighter jingyu in the "Show Us your seaports" thread.
If you will still have problems, I will check it (I didn't play SC4 this way from some time) and take screenshots.
Adam
You can use SC4tool in Win7 , without the virtual Xp..right now you still have to download virt.XP , so it has not been integrated.
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So far , I have not had any problems using any programs. Even the SC4MDT by Coego works.You still need to replace Fshlib.dll in SC4tool, but it works in WIN7
Jayson
OK Jayson and others, please report your experiences after playing more on Windows 7 - both the game and all sofware we use. I'm going to complete the new PC in the next few months, so I'm very interested in it :)
Adam
Desktop Switcher? I havent heard of that?
You can use Sc4Tool without the Xp mode the exact same as in Vista (disabling Aero (or Desktop Composition as it's called in the compatibility tab).
Xp mode was slow for me to , but there was only 128 MB of RAM set for it, so increased that to 1GB and it worked better.
Found this: http://forums.techarena.in/guides-tutorials/1175447.htm could be quite useful for testing it out on an XP machine, where there's no partition manager
Jonathan
Quote from: Jonathan on May 30, 2009, 05:41:11 AM
Desktop Switcher? I havent heard of that?
Jonathan
This is what I'm talking about.....
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Jayson
oh right, that's just Windows+tab keys?
Jonathan
I duuno...I just click over to "switch between windows" on the taskbar.
I just noticed how slow Vista is working since I booted over...been keeping 7 open and think that maybe it truly is more responsive! (Same computer , just different OS)
I am really liking 7...may not switch back over to the Vista partition till the RC expires next June!
Jayson
Quote from: sithlrd98 on May 30, 2009, 07:51:24 AM
I am really liking 7...may not switch back over to the Vista partition till the RC expires next June!
Same here, except I can
never go back to Vista. When the RC expires, I'll go and buy a real copy.
Quote from: Haljackey on May 30, 2009, 10:47:07 AM
Same here, except I can never go back to Vista. When the RC expires, I'll go and buy a real copy.
As long as the
boss wife allows me (she's still mad I plunked $150 on x64XP , only to put Win7 over it ;D)
Jayson
Quote from: Jonathan on May 30, 2009, 07:45:55 AM
oh right, that's just Windows+tab keys?
Jonathan
O rly? I should try it out myself ;D.
Does anyone know how you can add a network location to a library (a network location that isn't in a homegroup)?
The help file said they have to be indexed and a easy way to do that is to make the files available offline, but that just wastes space. It also said to index them on the machine they're on how do you do that (in vista)
Jonathan
OK , had a few issues getting the BAT to install correctly , but it may have just been a fluke. Also had an issue getting Max8 installed , but that was a little harder to figure out . They both do work as well as Datgen(with the updated fshlib.dll) PIM and LE work.
I have found a good use for VirtualXP...BitPim! I can hack my phone again!
Jayson
I have yet to even check out the library functions, still messing with it.
Has anyone got SC4Mapper working with Win7 yet? It is the last program I have yet to get working - apart from SC4Terraformer which I won't try until I can get Mapper working.
Barby, I have tried to get both mapper and terraformer to work under Win7...they both just hang in limbo , eating zero processor cycles. I have tried with out aero , and just about everything I know ....still not working. Sorry
Jayson
Thanks for the reply, Jayson. I suspected that might be the case. Fortunately I have an XP machine so can use that to render the region and USB it over to this machine.
I only have one piece of hardware not working and that is my microphone on the headset. The speakers side works but not the microphone and I cannot find a solution, yet.
What kind of setup do you have? Is the sound on-board or is it a card? I was pretty lucky with the Win7 install...all drivers were available , etc. Much better than the Vista64 & x64XP installs :)
Jayson
I honestly don't know if it is an on-board card or a separate one as it is a long time since I had the case open. I had problems with it before Christmas and had to have a new HD. It took some time to get it sorted as I had one that was too big added in. I really must look and see. I will also check my laptop as that has Win7 with an on-board sound card. The Win 7 on there is in French and on my main machine in Englsih.
I have a question for all Win7 users: Have any of you noticed a slowdown with re-naming files? Simple.pngs take like 30 sec. now. I turned off the search indexer thinking that was the problem but the only change was that it takes longer to search for files. I have
plenty of RAM , and so far that seems to be my biggest issue with the OS.
Quote from: BarbyW on July 23, 2009, 11:29:33 AM
had to have a new HD. It took some time to get it sorted as I had one that was too big added in.
Nonsense...you can never have to big of a HDD ;D
Jayson
Does it plug into a USB port or a normal microphone and headphone port (the little round ones)?
If you know who manufactures it try going to their website and downloading the newest drivers for your headset(if it asks what operating system, choose Windows Vista as I doubt it will have 7 on it). But if it plugs into a normal microphone port you should have had no trouble at all.
You can tell if it's onboard or a card depending where it is. If the sound ports are in the red area then it is onboard, but if it's in one of the slots in the blue area then its a card.
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And I have had no problem with renaming files at all.
Hope I've helped :)
Jonathan
Quote from: Jonathan on July 23, 2009, 11:49:11 AM
And I have had no problem with renaming files at all.
Jonathan
That's odd...by the way , I've been meaning to ask you if you ever were able to get the library function working the way you want(without being part of a homegroup?)
Jayson
It is an on-board sound system and I hadn't moved the headset since I plugged it in months ago. I have just taken it to my laptop which also had on-board sound and plugged in and it works on there. I just need to install my web cam on there then I can have this machine for main work, my laptop for skype convos with my brother and the other desktop for making SC4Mapper maps work. ::)
I have never needed drivers for the headset before and the Win7 in French recognised it straightaway.
Only thing I can think of is that either some how the mic is muted or that part of the sound card is dead.
Jayson
Problem solved. I couldn't face opening the case as it involved a lot of contorting oneself to get at everything $%Grinno$%
I found my manual and went to the manufacturer's web site, input my serial number. Found the drivers page and updated the sound driver. It didn't want to install as it said it was for XP only but I did a compatability install and now the microphone is working.
Just got to get Mapper sorted now.
Great! Maybe you can have better luck than I did with mapper.
Jayson
No I didn't get the library working without being in a homegroup, but apparently(according to the Windows Help) if the folder is indexed on the PC it is on it should be able to be added, but I haven't got that to work.
I'm glad you got your headset working!
Jonathan
Just to make sure we are on the same page ...is what you are trying to do is "map" a secondary drive but be able to see everything without having to actually "open"the mapped drive? If so , its actually easy. When I get home on my win7 machine , I'll try to explain to you how I did it.
Jayson
I mean I want to click add location to library and then browse to Network>PCNAME>somesharedfolder
is that what you meant if you managed to do it then that's great it will be really useful.
Jonathan
OK ,hopefully this may help you and others as I'm still not sure which way you are trying and since I mainly just have certain folders set-up in libraries , I don't use it for networking drives...but here is the way to do it 2 ways. Note , I have a lot of files between the 3 computers (2 on-line) and because of this , I did not complete the "network" way , but had I , I am pretty sure it would work . I did notice 2 strange things...1 you will get a conflict if the network drive has a "recycler" folder , and some .exe files seemed to not want to transfer correctly (they also were showing conflicts).
You need full Admin privileges to do this.
The Easy way ...If you have multiple drives -NON Network-
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As you can see , I have set up just for 2 sets of folders from each of my installs ...x64Vista (E) and x64Win7(C)
When you expand them , all of the files are right there , no need to open drive from My computer or My network places.
The Network way.....
First , Indexing has to be on. If you aren't sure , you can open Control Panel>Programs and Features> and then over to the left you will see Turn Windows Features On or Off...
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Now that it we know it is on , here is the easier (IMO) way of getting the drive/folder to be added. Click the drive/folders properties and select Always Available offline.
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Now I want it to be put into the Documents Library so I right click the Documents library and a select Include a folder. Select whatever folder and then , if it is not being hateful , it should open up the Sync Center.
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Again, depending on how much is being Synced , it could take a while. I gave up after an hour , but I was trying to Sync 17GBs (20,877 Files in 1,287 Folders...the smallest one I could find ) :)
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Even though I did not allow it to complete , I think that this is the way . Also , if you get tired of it trying to Sync all the time , you will have to go into Control Panel> Sync Center>Manage Offline Files>and then Disable Offline Files. You will need to restart to finalize.
Again , this is the way I was doing it , and I may not be completely accurate.
Jayson
I was trying to get it done without making the files availableoffline as the network share I want to add is just 200GB. It says it's possible without making them offline. I'll try more as I haven't spent that long on trying to get it to work but it seems this should be really easy to do and basic.
Jonathan
One thing I haven't managed to work out yet is how to make the default location for my data to be on my data D:\ drive. I have an 80GB system drive and a 160GB data drive. SC4 wants to use C:\Users\Barby as My Docs and SC4 put the My docs stuff there too when I installed. SC4Tool also defaults to the same folder for running as well. I can use a work around by only keeping the minimum plugins in that location and putting in folders as and when I need them but it is rather annoying. In XP it was easy but I haven't yet worked it out in Win7.
Edit: Reading through the SC4Mapper (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=3458.40) thread it seems as though the problem is the use of C:\Users\Barby as the My Docs default. Mapper cannot cope with the U in the file path. Steph recommends moving the location of My Docs and that is where I come unstuck as explained above. Solving the locating of the MyDoc\SC4 folder may solve the mapper problem.
On the start menu, right click the Documents library, and then properties, click on include a folder and then browse to the folder on your D drive you want to include (you might have it included already?) then select it in the list of library locations and click Set save location and then apply and it should from then onwards save into the folder on the D drive(but it won't move anything already in your Documents folder on your C drive).
It doesn't like U s in the file location? What if someone has a U in their name? I think instead of everyone moving their documents folder it should be fixed if it can and if Steph has the time.
Jonathan
It isn't a case of having time for Steph as his laptop with the source code was stolen. He cannot do any editing of this now unfortunately.
With regard to the Document library location I already have that set but SC4Tool doesn't recognise it and SC4 doesn't seem to either.
Quote from: BarbyW on July 24, 2009, 02:11:00 AM
Solving the locating of the MyDoc\SC4 folder may solve the mapper problem.
Unrelated, I know, but this did work for me on Vista
Jonathan:I still don't get what you are trying to do...maybe I'm just over-thinking!
In order to get SC4 tool to work for me in both Vista and 7 , I had to manually edit the Settings.dat , making sure that there were not any unnedded spaces in the paths. I also had to do the same for Reader.
<settings>
<data>
<name>SortierKriterium</name>
<value>A</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>SortierKriteriumBAT</name>
<value>A</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>FarbSchema</name>
<value>Standard</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>SC4Path</name>
<value>C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>SC4LocalPath</name>
<value>C:\Users\Jayson\Documents\SimCity 4\Plugins</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>User</name>
<value>Standard</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>TL</name>
<value>4235734432</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>TU</name>
<value>4235735432</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>StartupProgramm</name>
<value>0</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>ShowIntro</name>
<value>False</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>TEModus</name>
<value>E</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>CreateBackup</name>
<value>False</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>FormatDate</name>
<value>yyyy-MM-dd</value>
</data>
<data>
<name>LanguageFiles</name>
<value>Deutsch.xml!07!0;English.xml!23!1;Dutch.xml!12!0;Portugues.xml!02!0;Castellano.xml!19!0;Suomi.xml!05!0;Italiano.xml!09!0</value>
</data>
</settings>
Reader---this was mainly because it could not see any of my SCdats nor could it find locale. It did not matter how many times I went through Readers options tab...It wouldnt work! I also put the FSHlib.dll(Vista version) in the main Dir. for good measure :)
[READER]
ORPHAN=0
ASKSAVE=0
AUTOFILL=0
AUTOLOAD=0
LOADING_MODE=1
SIDEBAR=1
PRELOAD_PLUGINS=1
HASH=2001
VIRTUAL_DAT=0
HEX_EDITOR=16
UI_PREVIEW=1
PROMPT_EXIT=1
LOCAL=C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe\English\SimCityLocale.DAT
LOT=
LASTFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\Jayson\My Documents\SimCity 4\Plugins\bf10 light_168e2fce.SC4Lot
SC4=C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe
FPRDIR=
DEF_FOLDER=
BUILDING_TWEAKER=blg_prop.xml
PROPERTIES=C:\Program Files (x86)\Maxis\SimCity 4 Deluxe\Apps\ilive_reader093\tropod_Properties.xml
SC-FrP3=612,416,809,423
SC-FrH1=612,322,809,94
SC-MainFrame=1433,870,0,0
SC-OutBarCtrl=191,749,10,92
SC-Pane0=592,749,208,92
SC-FrameExemplar=1116,530,192,195
SC-CDlgFiltersEx=624,343,458,345
SC-CDlgFindEx=498,511,821,226
SC-CDlgFileInfo=423,243,788,320
SC-CDlgFilters=288,395,3,50
SC-DlgBuilding=983,518,235,176
SC-FrameNavigator=800,630,0,44
SC-CDlgCohort=394,402,161,273
SC-CDlgDatInfo=479,172,8,48
SC-CDlgIdxAnalyser=796,475,8,48
SC-CDlgLotTexture=695,596,8,48
SC-FrameCohort=800,530,0,44
SC-CDlgDirectory=665,402,8,48
SC-FastPreview=800,630,0,44
Jayson
I just looked it up on the net, and to move the documents folder is the same as in Vista(Or very similar): http://www.w7forums.com/change-location-my-documents-folder-t338.html And I'm sorry about Steph's laptop, I hope he didn't loose too much.
Jayson: I am trying to add a network location to a library without making it available offline. It seems the indexing service was off. But I thought that was what made Vista and 7's search so quick?
Jonathan
As you can see SC4Tool is recognising my data drive but it doesn't seem to be working using this path:
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Edit: Steph lost the source code for all his programs. With the help of some BSC members he was able to rebuild the X_Tool so that will be released evetually.
Well Jonathan, I am sorry but since I have not researched how the libraries are supposed to function , and all the info I have seen is either from people who eat code for breakfast(Steph :D) and have hacked their systems to the brim , or from people who should not even be allowed to own a computer , I think we'll have to wait until someone explains it in some sort of understandable language.
On a side note , if the mapper/terraformer issue has to do with the location of the MyDocuments folder , is there a "settings"that is burried in the python scripts , or is it in the .exe? I don't code , and therefore I don't know how to check the python extensions.
Jayson
Used the info in Jonathan's link and it seems to be working now. Thanks, Jonathan.
Now to test SC4Mapper when my virus checker has finished scanning.
Double posting to say YIPPEE. Moving MyDocuments to D: has allowed SC4Mapper to work. I am a happy bunny &dance %BUd%
Maybe that needs to be added to the Mapper FAQ? Does Terraformer work? I gotta try that when I get home! Thanks Jonathan for the link!
Jayson
It seems that there are no simple questions presented here and everyone is a programmer or some computer guru. So I'll be the dumb guy %confuso to ask those basic questions. Can anyone tell me (in regards to Windows7) if the basic SC4-RushHour works or is compatable. I also do not use the "Tool" everyone is talking about and do not Bat anything- just download alot of great custom content &apls (Thanx). Is it any harder to install plugins with this new OS?
Also, I'm getting a new laptop soon (hopefully w/Windows7) and all I want to do is be able to have lots of power to play SC4RH with lots of custom content, without bogging down the computer. Do I need a seperate "partition"? And why would I need that and How does one go about creating that?
Sorry for my ignorance, but I only know Windows XP-not Vista, and I am not a programmer and I just want to be sure that before I plunk down a boat load of money for this laptop, that I can enjoy my beloved SC4 with all the bells and whistles!
Thank you, in advance, for any help or "schooling" anyone can offer me.
~Clay
P.S. I almost forgot; there is a good article here: www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1377837
Called "Seven reasons to upgrade to Windows 7"
Here is your answer: Yes, SC4Rushhour/Deluxe work just fine under the new OS. However SC4, does have a issue when it comes to multiple cores.It is not related to how the OS handles SC4, but since you are contemplating the purchase of a new computer , there is a good chance it could have at least a dual core processor. I , my self have an AMD quad core and don't seem to have the issues that the Intel folks have.The other thing is this...if you intend on getting a computer that has a multi-core and is 64 bit architecture, SC4 is not necessarily going to set any speed records ,regardless of the amount of RAM you have, especially with gigs of content, because it is still a 32 bit program.
Hope that helps!
Jayson
EDIT:Bit late but I'll leave my post anyway,
SC4 installs and works fine, if not better on windows 7 than Vista for me. You do not need a seperate partition to download lots of content, you just need a big hard drive. A partition is only needed if you want to make 1 hard drive appear as 2 volumes in My Computer (like a C drive and a D drive). You also create a partition if you only have 1 hard drive but you want to have two operating systems installed, called dual booting. Making more partitions doesn't give you more space, in fact because SC4 only allows you to have Custom Content on one Hard Disk you will effectively have less space for custom content. So unless you want to dual boot say Windows XP or Vista and Windows 7 you don't need to create a partition.
If I haven't explained something very well or you want to know something else I can try my best. And I'm sure others will be able to add to or possibly correct what I've said
EDIT: I have an Intel Core 2 Duo processor and have had no problems with SC4 on 32-bit Vista or 64-bit 7. So it's possible not to have problems with multiple cores.
Jonathan
Thank You both, Jonathan and Jayson!
That helps simplify things a bit. I do know that the new laptop I'll be getting will have a dual core processor though. I had thought this would be such a big improvement from my old single pentium 4 processor, but apparently not with SC4.
Is there anything I can or should do to make SC4 run ok or smothly with a dual core processor???
Now that this is no longer on the topic of Windows 7, is there any place you could direct me to read up on this and get "educated" on what SC4 needs to run as fast and smothly as possible-(so I can get my new laptop built that way)?
Also, I've read about people having trouble with certain graphics cards and SC4 not working well with them. What's the scoop on that?
Thank you guys, again. This is verry helpfull and going to make for many more years of happy SC4RH addiction! :thumbsup:
Dual Core won't have a direct effect on SC4, but programs other than SC4 like explorer can apparently run on the other core SC4 is not using. So there will be some performance increase because there will less processes running on each core because the will spread between 2. I'm not 100% sure about this just heard it somewhere, because I don't know how the computer knows to run what on which core. There's a topic about the Dual core issues but I'm not sure where it is, but just try and install SC4 normally and run it, then if you get any problems go and change things :)
Jonathan
OK, now my turn...following the instructions from the link that Jonathan posted , I tried to move the C:\Users\Jayson\Documents folder to something more like the old days: Documents and Settings\My Documents. No luck , so I just tried to move it where ever...still get the same error message , which basically says it can't do it. Any clues to why?
Jayson
I followed the instructions to move it to D:\My Documents which is a separate data drive and it moved and worked first time.
While you were typing , I had already figured out what I was doing wrong! Because I just wanted to move it to a spot on the same drive , I was trying to create a whole new path , when all I needed to do was to create a new folder , re-name it "My Documents" and all was cool! So , Mapper works fine , but....terraformer (which I admit I rarely use and have not messed with for quite a while) is not doing so good...
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi180.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx262%2Fsithlrd98%2Fmapper-1.jpg&hash=eef9f5a0c59c492e07c5a2950fd16881f681d340)
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Oh,well I'm sure it's me! At least I can get some new maps in-game without switching over!
Jayson
Looks like some good news for us Europeans on the whole browser issue and not being able to upgrade: http://windows7news.com/2009/07/25/agreement-about-windows-7e-likely/
But this will mean 7 will be more expensive as they won't have to offer the Full 7 E version at the same price as the US upgrade version, personally I'd rather have the inconvenience of doing a clean install than pay an extra £100 or whatever it is.
Jonathan
So where does that leave me as I have pre-ordered Win7E? Well actually my brother has done it for me as I want the English version and couldn't find a way to order in England from France.
Quote from: sithlrd98 on July 25, 2009, 03:15:13 PM
While you were typing , I had already figured out what I was doing wrong! Because I just wanted to move it to a spot on the same drive , I was trying to create a whole new path , when all I needed to do was to create a new folder , re-name it "My Documents" and all was cool! So , Mapper works fine , but....terraformer (which I admit I rarely use and have not messed with for quite a while) is not doing so good...
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi180.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx262%2Fsithlrd98%2Fmapper-1.jpg&hash=eef9f5a0c59c492e07c5a2950fd16881f681d340)
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi180.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx262%2Fsithlrd98%2FTerra-1.jpg&hash=ec97c36aef593dd27744d9e53fb7526f37118d19)
Oh,well I'm sure it's me! At least I can get some new maps in-game without switching over!
Jayson
This is EXACTLY the same problem I already got under VISTA! I suppose it is a driver thing... :angrymore:
If somebody knew a way around that, I would be very thankful! ()what() :thumbsup:
It is not a driver. Have you tried running it without aero ? Also I'd try it in XP mode just to see what happens.
Barby, i'd like to know that too maybe you'll get the non-E version for the price of the E version but I doubt that the ECC(or is it EEC?) would agree to what I posted as it makes things easier for the user :)
Jonathan
I will be very annoyed as the main reason I decided to change to Win7 was the reduced cost for advanced ordering. I have paid for a copy of the Home and the Pro editions so I hope that will be re-imbursed if I can't get the updates.
Windows 7 E has been cancelled, in favour of the ballot screen.
http://windows7news.com/2009/08/02/windows-7-%e2%80%98e%e2%80%99-canceled/
As it says, anyone who bought Windows 7 E already will get the full version. This means you will be able to perform upgrades and not have to do clean installs, and ou will be able to go on the internet without saving a browser to pen drive first. Also it means you have got Windows 7 for a ridicously cheap price. As The full Windows 7 E was at the same price as the Windows 7 Upgrades in the US, and then there were the preorder offers.
So you won't be charged extra, but you will be getting more for your money.
Jonathan
That is music to my ears, Jonathan. :thumbsup:
Just a few questions:
Is it still worth getting the windows 7 beta?
How hard is it to install windows 7?
Will I need to reinstall everything in windows 7?
Barby, I'm glad it made you happy :)
I'm not sure if it's worth getting the Release Candidate (here (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/download.aspx)), If you want to try it before buying then downloading the RC is pretty much a trial, but if you are going to download it you need to do it soon as Microsoft are going to stop RC downloads soon.
Windows 7 is the easiest Windows OS to install to date. Much easier than XP and quite a but easier than Vista. If your going to use the RC then I'dd suggest installing it on a seperate Hard Drive or partition so you can go back to the OS your using now. But when the actual release in October, Europeans can now upgrade from Vista to Windows 7 so you won't neccessarily have to reinstall all your programs and transfer all your data. If your going to be getting a new computer or upgrading your OS then Windows 7 is definately the OS to go for.
Jonathan
Well, I just got a new one that shipped with Vista, but what I actually meant was: Do programs that require install registry values (like The Sims 3) require to be reinstalled?
And how do you install it (just run the setup from Vista or mount/burn on a USB drive / DVD disk)
If your upgrading (not doing a clean install) then you don't need to reinstall any programs. If you do a clean install then you have to reinstall all your programs.
Did the computer you just bought come with an upgrade voucher for Windows 7?
Jonathan
nope, it came with vista pre-installed
Also, I don't have a Vista installation disc so I don't think upgrading is the right thing to do
OK, this is what I did...I also have Vista pre-installed. I went a head and set up Win 7 on a second drive (personal reasons...I don't trust HDDs!)...after everything was done , I used this (which I already had burned).Download: Windows Vista x64 Recovery Disc (http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/download-windows-vista-x64-recovery-disc/)
It will fix the BCD that will become over-written.
Jayson
I've noticed that a few PCs (with Vista pre installed) come with a voucher which you can take to the place you bought it from and get a free Windows 7 upgrade disc. If that's the case then you have to an upgrade, so you wouldn't have to reinstall all your programs.
But my biggest question still remains: can you install it by mounting the image on a virtual CD drive (while running vista during install)?
This was the first thing that poped up when I Googled install win 7 from virtual drive http://www.sevenforums.com/installation-setup/1755-installing-windows-7-virtual-drive.html (http://www.sevenforums.com/installation-setup/1755-installing-windows-7-virtual-drive.html)
Jayson
looks like it's possible, let's try it
EDIT: looks like I'll need to reinstall ALL my games if I want to install windows 7, other option is upgrade which I don't want do
EDIT2: finally decided to have a go at it, my laptop is installing as we speak
EDIT3: Windows 7 has apperantly decided to annoy me by not allowing me to choose my screen's native resolution of 1920x1080, furthermore I don't think it recognises my GPU
Here is a link to Nvidia with the Win7 drivers for your card...http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_notebook_win7_x64_186.03_whql.html (http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_notebook_win7_x64_186.03_whql.html)
Jayson
thanks Jayson, however a reboot after installing alot of updates solved the problem, so now it's working the way it should
Sorry i didn't understand your question, but it looks like Jayson got it :)
I'm not sure if this is related to Windows 7, but I'll post here just incase. I get this strange blue line that appears above the the system tray. It's just one pixel high, and if I click on it other windows lose focus and the on pressing Alt-F4 it dissapears, but took screenshot of process list in task manager before and after pressing Alt-F4, comapred them and the lists were identical, so nothing had closed.
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Jonathan
Does it appear on start-up? The only graphical issue I have is when I have multiple instances of reader open and scroll between them using aero peak , it causes my graphics driver to crash if I do it too fast or too many times , but since 7 works so well it quickly recovers.
Jayson
It just appears there randomaly, some times there are more than one on top of each other. I don't think it's a graphic glitch because when I hit Alt-F4 it closes.
Jonathan
Very odd! So , when you collapse/hide the taskbar , nothing is there?
Jayson
Not trying to double , but remeber the "my documents" move thing...well , I am having to restore my default location since windows cant find it since I restarted today.Odd!
Jayson
Quote from: BarbyW on July 25, 2009, 02:29:24 PM
I followed the instructions to move it to D:\My Documents which is a separate data drive and it moved and worked first time.
Dragging this up a bit. I realized this while ago but never got to posting it. You say it doesn't like U's in the path but "D:\My Doc
uments" ? Does that mean it's only captal U's somehow? because if you renamed the Users folder to users, Mapper (or was it terraformer?) might work and other programs and windows which aren't really bothered about capitalization wouldn't mind. This would save the whole moving documents thing.
Also I was trying out Windows Home Server (based on XP which going to that after 7 is horrible :) ) and I could add the shared folders on that to my library, so it's possible to add folders on the network to a windows 7 library. Just got to find out why it let the shared folder on WHS but not the one on a Vista PC.
EDIT:Not Windows 7 but still Microsoft, apparently MS can't sell/import into the US any version of Office(I guess that also includes Office 2010) that can open custom XML files, (so the new .docx format) because of some law suit from a company called I4i (never even heard of them, google came up with something to do with the NHS) (Story here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8197990.stm)) MS were under pressure to go to these new formats because they were under pressure to open up their formats(here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/jun/21/comment.comment1)) So it seems MS can't win.
Jonathan
Jonathan
Quote
Dragging this up a bit. I realized this while ago but never got to posting it. You say it doesn't like U's in the path but "D:\My Documents" ? Does that mean it's only captal U's somehow? because if you renamed the Users folder to users, Mapper (or was it terraformer?) might work and other programs and windows which aren't really bothered about capitalization wouldn't mind. This would save the whole moving documents thing.
Terraformer and Mapper don't like it when the following comes up in the file name:
/n
/u
/t
as they are used in command prompt to achieve certain things. That's why "My Documents" works and "Users" doesn't.
i have the Windows 7 Full OEM RTM what will never expire, only prob sc4 won't fill screen on sc4 there is black spaces for too small res
Quote from: Jack JumperSH on August 20, 2009, 11:40:34 AM
i have the Windows 7 Full OEM RTM what will never expire, only prob sc4 won't fill screen on sc4 there is black spaces for too small res
Here is my question to you: How do you have an OEM RTM version of Windows 7 when the Release To Manufacturing isn't a public release, you aren't an OEM and it's not the release date?
%ban%
wanna bet?
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Thank you for that lovely picture, but what good is it if it's illegal? :thumbsdown:
no, i have technet plus
That explains so much. ::)
If you will excuse me, I will go hit myself because I know I'll get my karma lowered for this
Anyways, does the RTM have XP Mode, and if so how is it?
you can download it off of the virtual desktop MSoft Site but u gotta have virtual desktop capability, there is a check on the site
oh and on technet i can download any version of MS office 2001+ and any version of XP and newer and get 10 free product keys
CPU virtualization? Awww. That, I do not have, my friend. I might get Windows 7 when it comes out (if not, later), but I like Linux. Oh if only I had Crossover, I heard it's smoother than WINE alone.
get a new video card to fix it
Also, those TechNet Plus benefits sound great. I wish I could become a TechNet Plus subscriber, but as a minor, that won't be happening any time soon. $%Grinno$%
any major differences between the RTM and RC?
Ultimate and Pro versions have Xp mode
Technet plus looks great, is there any catch? I'm relying on Office 2010 Technical preview for my office at the moment, it's be nice to be able to get a proper office suite without paying over the odds.
Jonathan
Quote from: Jonathan on August 20, 2009, 12:27:36 PM
any major differences between the RTM and RC?
Ultimate and Pro versions have Xp mode
Jonathan
The RTM is the Full version and is what goes into the stores but atm they are fixing a bug that is BSODing everyones comps when they defrag
Quote from: simmaster07 on August 20, 2009, 12:25:31 PM
Also, those TechNet Plus benefits sound great. I wish I could become a TechNet Plus subscriber, but as a minor, that won't be happening any time soon. $%Grinno$%
its £234 and if u get offers u can get up to 175 pounds off
Well, as an American, it's time to whip out the almighty currency converter. :P Also, I do hope that showstopper is fixed before retail availability. ;D
no need its 349 dollars
Feh. I could only dream of having $349. :-[
lol im a minor and i have a LOT OF Cash in the pocket because i work in a local store
No, when I say I'm a minor, I mean I'm 12. ()stsfd()
Anyways, back to Windows 7. There's one thing I've been interested in since I found out about Windows 7 and that is the improved MinWin kernel. Compared to Vista's MinWin kernel, it seems that Windows 7 still seems to use a dramatically smaller portion of available system resources. I wonder why... &hlp
Quote from: simmaster07 on August 20, 2009, 12:42:01 PM
No, when I say I'm a minor, I mean I'm 12. ()stsfd()
Anyways, back to Windows 7. There's one thing I've been interested in since I found out about Windows 7 and that is the improved MinWin kernel. Compared to Vista's MinWin kernel, it seems that Windows 7 still seems to use a dramatically smaller portion of available system resources. I wonder why... &hlp
I'm just gone 13 2 days ago and the reason it uses less is because it was recoded with some different format what sort of compacts it
I don't see how a different format can help that much, but okay. ::)
i don't myself but microsoft decided to do it
Does anyone else here use Start Up Manager? I have noticed that under Win7 SUM doesn't move the ProgramFiles\Maxis\Simcity 4\Plugins subfolders to Plugins Disabled. I have had to move them manually which is a bit of a pain. I changed the access settings to allow changes for all users but SUM is still not moving the folders.
I am also having a similar problem with SC4Tool as it is not making the Readmes correctly. It is missing out the custom headers and footers so I have to copy them each time. Again another slight frustration as it takes longer to do everything. I am almost at the stage of duplicating my set up to my husband's machine which has XP so that I can make the Readmes etc easily again.
Anyone any bright ideas as to solutions?
Problem with SUM solved by turning off UAC completely ::)
Well, if all compatibility modes and stuff are failing, you could install a virtual machine and run WinXP inside it. Sun Virtual Box (http://www.virtualbox.org) is freeware and pretty easy to use - you just select which system you want to run inside your virtual box, make a container file that serves as a virtual HD, and install WinXP inside the virtual box. At the moment, I did the very same the other way round (Win7 in a virtual box on my WinXP system). It works pretty well, actually, and I can even access my WinXP system from inside the virtual box via a virtual network card.
Or you can use the XP Virtual PC from MS, this will let you run programs in XP on the win7 desktop.
link to picture that exaplins it better (http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/warriorST/XPmode.jpg)
Jonathan
One week left ;D! One week left and 7 will be on the shelves. Well not exactly one week for me here since it takes weeks for something to be shipped here.
By the way, I've been meaning to ask this for quite some time now, but does SC4 Mapper work on 7? Somehow, I click on it, the program is running, but it doesn't load at least for me &mmm.
It probably will run, but I'd recommend running it inside a virtual XP machine. It doesn't like Vista and generally if it don't work in Vista, it won't work in 7. Just make sure you have all the .DLLs and that sort of thing.
I think its in this thread there is discussion about making it run. Though I'm not sure.
Jonathan, I think you're thinking of SC4Tool. As far as I know, SC4Mapper doesn't work in Vista and there has been no patch to make it work. Not that I'm really complaining, I see no reason to have SC4M installed when I already have SC4TF installed.
Sc4Tool works pratically straight away, but for SC4M you have to move your Documents folder to some which doesn't have a \U in it, because in Vista the path is C:\Users\Documents.
Jonathan
Quote from: Jonathan on October 19, 2009, 11:54:22 PM
Sc4Tool works pratically straight away, but for SC4M you have to move your Documents folder to some which doesn't have a \U in it, because in Vista the path is C:\Users\Documents.
Jonathan
Thanks for the tip.
So... I think Windows 7 is released now. Though there isn't a reason to hurry, has anyone bought it yet?
[removed post, but didn't delete so other posters don't look stupid by repsonding to a question that seemingly isn't here]
About windows 7: why on earth do you need a version in the same language as the one your OS comes with?? I mean seriously, how annoying is that.
on a side note Jonathan: didn't you have a mac?
Do you mean that you need Windows 7 to be same the language as the previous OS? Probably because it is a feature of Windows Ultimate to be able to switch languages,I think it's one of 2 differences between 7 Ultimate and Professional. So they just trying to get you to buy Ultimate and spend even more money. And probably a rubbish attempt at an anti piracy feature.
I'd imagine though that you can get translations for widnows somewhere on the net.
I did/do have a mac that i bought of ebay but now realising that it is not what I need, so sometime I'm going to put it back on ebay. And Windows 7 is better :)
Quote from: Jonathan on October 29, 2009, 08:56:21 AM
And Windows 7 is better :)
True, that.
EDIT: Corrected on legality of copying copyrighted software by Andreas; thank you for (gently) setting me straight.
Well, making copies of copyrighted software is not legal, regardless if it was a copy that is sent by mail or via the internet. I don't doubt that you purchased the game legally (even twice), but not finding your disk isn't really a valid reason to break the law, I'd say. I tend to be somewhat messy as well, but I always know where my SC4 disks are - in their original case, on my CD shelf. So try to care better for your stuff, if you don't want to end up buying yet another CD set... ;)
[post edited by request]
EDIT: forgot to mention in the other post that only upgrading requires the same language. A clean install is possible, but in my case rather useless as I already have Vista and don't want to reinstall everything
Jeronij just replying saying I shouldn't ask until he's discussed it. So I'm going to remove my posts, and please can you edit your posts WC_EEND(as one of yours posts had about windows 7 as well)?
I did a clean install, (I had to because of the way my hard drive was partitioned but I would have anyway) because it gives me a chance to clean up all my files I don't use (I backed up my PC but haven't copied most of the files over because I realised I don't actaully need them) and if you do a clean install you get this clean sleek "new" computer, and it runs better. Upgrade will mean some of Vista is bound to stay behind. I'd personally make a list of all the programs I use (being a hypocrite now because I didn't thoughly check I had all the discs *cough* sc4 *cough*) and make sure you have the discs (I realised that most of my programs were downloaded anyway), and backup your files.
Jonathan
the problem is, when doing a clean install, is that I won't be able to use some of the software that came with my PC anymore (eg office came preloaded, also alot of Acer stuff) also I have an OEM version of Vista, and I read somewhere that installing 7 (OEM version) over vista OEM can wipe your HDD
Actually there is an "upgrade utility" that is used instead of "install over".. Install over's never really worked very well.. all the way back to Win 3.1.. it just causes problems. Win7 is the first release that has a tool you put on Vista, run it and it creates an "update package". You then do a "clean install" of Win7 and then run the update package... It then overlays the items preserved on the "sort of backup" .. :) I forgot the name of it, but it's included on the install DVD as I recall.
SC4BOY, is the update package you speak of saved and placed in a backup location, or it it possible to manually archive it before continuing to install the Win7 update? %confuso
Thanks...
Joan
well I ordered my windows 7 upgrade on sunday, so I'll be running 7 really soon (how soon depends on delivery speed)
2 questions:
1) Not really windows 7 but I'm looking for a mouse to replace my current one (http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=084) I really liked it but now I'd like one extra button on each side of the mouse. So along with back and forward buttons I can have another two that I want to use for Aero Snap.
2) All my dialog boxes' borders have shrunk:
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You can see in comparison to the paint window on the right. Any ideas on how to fix it?
rebooting maybe? resetting your resolution (turn it down and then put it where it used to be), disabling and re-enabling aero. these are my guesses
Tried that, I forgot to say that it only happens when Aero is enabled, so maybe a repair form the disc would work?
And btw Office 2010 beta from today is available with Office Web Apps (just google office 2010 beta)
might give it a try, howe does it compare to office 2007 (which I think is awful due to the simple fact that they put everything in a different place than it was)
It uses the same ribbon UI as 2007, but things have probably shifted around a little. But really the best part is the online apps.
I'm downloading it . I hope it's as good as 7 ;D
Quote from: Jmouse on October 29, 2009, 06:42:43 PM
SC4BOY, is the update package you speak of saved and placed in a backup location, or it it possible to manually archive it before continuing to install the Win7 update? %confuso
Thanks...
Joan
I don't understand what you're asking... they both seem the same to me.. you make a "resource file" while under your "old" OS .. call it a backup if you wish.. I forget the "proper" name for it.. and then install Win 7. The tool then is run in Win 7 to access the "resource files".. Yes they are placed in a spot which you may designate.. forget all possibilities but for example I'm pretty sure USB drives, etc are acceptable targets.
I just got windows 7 on my new pc and I've been having major problems playing SC4
I have win 7 professional (32bits) and when I play SC4 my windows explorer crashes all the time, i've already switched to win xp service pack 2 mode but no change.
Can I delete explorer? will it make a difference (I use firefox)
I have a Geforce 8600GTS (191.07 driver)
Can anybody help me please?
explorer is the desktop, taskbar, start menu and the thing you use to view files on your computer, firefox is not a replacement for this.
Internet explorer is what you browse the web with, this is what firefox replaces.
So do you mean when you run SC4 the taskbar(the bar at the bottomof the screen with start menu and icons) dissapears? or Internet Explorer ("the internet") crashes?
Jonathan
I meant that the taskbar crashes.
sometimes I can manually remove it with windows task manager ('ctrl al del') and then restart it, but that only works seldom.
Anyway, It makes my pc crash ( I can't shut down properly, when I try to reboot it takes minutes to shut down and sometimes i need to reboot 2-3 times before windows starts up again...)
That's strange. I had the same exact video card as you, though with x64 Vista instead of x32 W7, and SC4 ran just fine. I've also run SC4 on a W7 test machine running x64 W7 and SC4 has had no issues.
It shouldn't be having any problems, especially on an x32 system, since SC4 was written for x32 systems. It may be that you have a virus on your system that has affected or infected the .exe file for SC4. (Unlikely, yes, but still possible.)
Do you have an antivirus installed? If yes, what is it?
As a note, do not under any circumstances delete Windows Explorer. You will need to install W7 again if you do.
Hmm strange indeed,
would it be helpful if I posted my latest Sim City exception report? Can you get possible info from it?
tnx
So far, no one is able to decode those exception reports, but it might help.
The hardware numbers are useless.. but the brief verbage near the beginning and end CAN help folk see what your problem might be
Here's my exception report, hope this helps....
Exception time: 01/20/2010, at 22:09:08.
Exception code: 0xC0000005 (-1073741819) ACCESS_VIOLATION.
Current thread ID: 5488 (0x00001570).
Version information:
Application/module path: C:\Maxis\SIMCIT~1\Apps\SimCity 4.exe
Application/module version name: SimCity 4
Application/module version: 1.1.613.0
System version: Windows NT 6.1
System memory: 2048 Megabytes total, 728 Megabytes free.
Exception module: .
Exception address: 0x00000000. Section:Offset: 0x00:0x00000000.
Registers
EAX: 174f0b90
EBX: 00fe4944
ECX: 174f0a78
EDX: 00fe4940
ESI: 1875f5f4
EDI: 1875f5fc
CS:EIP: 001b:00000000
SS:ESP: 0023:0012fcdc EBP:0012fd3c
DS:0023 ES:0023 FS:003b GS:0000
Flags: 00210206
Loaded Modules
Address Size Module Path
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0x00400000 8187904 SimCity 4.exe C:\Maxis\SIMCIT~1\Apps\SimCity 4.exe
0x774a0000 1294336 ntdll.dll C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll
0x76bf0000 868352 kernel32.dll C:\Windows\system32\kernel32.dll
0x758a0000 303104 KERNELBASE.dll C:\Windows\system32\KERNELBASE.dll
0x766e0000 823296 USER32.dll C:\Windows\system32\USER32.dll
0x76910000 319488 GDI32.dll C:\Windows\system32\GDI32.dll
0x758f0000 40960 LPK.dll C:\Windows\system32\LPK.dll
0x772b0000 643072 USP10.dll C:\Windows\system32\USP10.dll
0x77350000 704512 msvcrt.dll C:\Windows\system32\msvcrt.dll
0x77400000 655360 ADVAPI32.dll C:\Windows\system32\ADVAPI32.dll
0x76ce0000 102400 sechost.dll C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\sechost.dll
0x77620000 659456 RPCRT4.dll C:\Windows\system32\RPCRT4.dll
0x73f70000 28672 WSOCK32.dll C:\Windows\system32\WSOCK32.dll
0x775e0000 217088 WS2_32.dll C:\Windows\system32\WS2_32.dll
0x766d0000 24576 NSI.dll C:\Windows\system32\NSI.dll
0x75950000 999424 WININET.dll C:\Windows\system32\WININET.dll
0x76d00000 356352 SHLWAPI.dll C:\Windows\system32\SHLWAPI.dll
0x76cd0000 12288 Normaliz.dll C:\Windows\system32\Normaliz.dll
0x76fb0000 1265664 urlmon.dll C:\Windows\system32\urlmon.dll
0x770f0000 1425408 ole32.dll C:\Windows\system32\ole32.dll
0x767b0000 585728 OLEAUT32.dll C:\Windows\system32\OLEAUT32.dll
0x75670000 1163264 CRYPT32.dll C:\Windows\system32\CRYPT32.dll
0x75660000 49152 MSASN1.dll C:\Windows\system32\MSASN1.dll
0x769f0000 2068480 iertutil.dll C:\Windows\system32\iertutil.dll
0x75a50000 12881920 SHELL32.dll C:\Windows\system32\SHELL32.dll
0x6c990000 466944 DSOUND.dll C:\Windows\system32\DSOUND.dll
0x71650000 204800 WINMM.dll C:\Windows\system32\WINMM.dll
0x738f0000 151552 POWRPROF.dll C:\Windows\system32\POWRPROF.dll
0x76d60000 1691648 SETUPAPI.dll C:\Windows\system32\SETUPAPI.dll
0x75870000 159744 CFGMGR32.dll C:\Windows\system32\CFGMGR32.dll
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Call stack:
(Debug information (.pdb files) appears to be absent).
0x0000:0x00000000 .
For one thing it looks like you have not applied ANY of the Maxis patches.. your version number is 1.1.613.0 and it should be at least 638 and preferably 640 (nightlight patch)
i've just downloaded the 638 patch but it says that the patch won't work if i already modified my game (with plugins)... Is this true?
What if I back up my plugins, apply the patch and then paste them back, would this work??
Yes. You might lose your already-built cities, so back them up as well.
The plugins are not important, but you may not have modified SC4 install files (ie if you use a no-cd crack, or if you installed a "one processor affinity patch" etc.. they must be as installed by the install CD.
So, I've finally installed a legitimate non-evaluation copy of Windows 7 and it's 64-bit about a month ago. Apparently, I'm having a slight problem. SC4 seems to work fine except that there are minor things that aren't rendered properly. I see the occasional jagged triangles similar to that of what u usually see when you overclock ur GPU. I tried compatibility mode and the jagged triangles still appear. I'm thinking maybe I'm just using a 64-bit OS, but from wat I'm seeing here, I guess not. I'll try unloading my drivers maybe later, but I'd like to hear other people first as to how this is resolved :).
Good morning all,
Could someone tell me if SC4D runs well on Windows 7, 64bits.
Is someone playing the game in a Toshiba T110?
Thanks
monet.67: I have installed SC4 on a machine running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, and the game works fine.
frdrcklim: *shrugs* I dunno. It's worked fine for me so far, so...
frdrcklim: Same problem with graphics here on windows 7 64-bit; problem went away when I reverted back to an earlier version of my nvidia video drivers. The latest version caused rendering problems; older versions did not.
Unno wat. I kinda noticed that. That sucks. Anyway, I tried software mode. It didn't seem to fix the problem. The artifacts were still there. I guess I really should have two drivers from now on or something like that.
Im on Win7 32 bit and NVIDIA card, the new 196.75 drivers seem to work OK now, rendering bugs squashed. :thumbsup:
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us