RHW (RealHighway) - Development and Support

[Meeston]

Philippines is not using a Rural Highway. expect NLEX and SLEX. where having rural parts of the highway.

The RHW Mod is now named as the "Real Highway Mod", as it can be used in all situations, not just rural.

but that's the old name for RHW. also. it's so hard to put the puzzle pieces. and the game crashing when i'm using puzzle pieces. that's why i'm not using puzzle pieces in my cities. expect the Tram-in-Avenue.

[sunv123]

Philippines is not using a Rural Highway. expect NLEX and SLEX. where having rural parts of the highway.

The RHW Mod is now named as the "Real Highway Mod", as it can be used in all situations, not just rural.

but that's the old name for RHW. also. it's so hard to put the puzzle pieces. and the game crashing when i'm using puzzle pieces. that's why i'm not using puzzle pieces in my cities. expect the Tram-in-Avenue.

What?

Also, not everytihng in development is based of the Philippines. If you want to create something to fit your liking, why not try doing it yourself? If you spend some time, you could even make things like THIS.

[Kuewr665]

If something crashes when you are plopping a puzzle piece, that may mean something went wrong in your installation of the mod.

[Meeston]

If something crashes when you are plopping a puzzle piece, that may mean something went wrong in your installation of the mod.

no. the game crashes when the puzzle piece are plopping next to a TE lot. 

[Kuewr665]

Oh, that happens whenever a puzzle piece is placed over a transit enabled lot. The game tries to get the piece to fit into the network on the lot, but the lot rejects it, getting it into an infinite loop and crashing the game. You have to be careful to prevent that from occurring, and always save the city before placing puzzle pieces anywhere near a transit enabled lot carrying the same network.

[Meeston]

Oh, that happens whenever a puzzle piece is placed over a transit enabled lot. The game tries to get the piece to fit into the network on the lot, but the lot rejects it, getting it into an infinite loop and crashing the game. You have to be careful to prevent that from occurring, and always save the city before placing puzzle pieces anywhere near a transit enabled lot carrying the same network.

okay. nice tip! 

[Kuewr665]

Here's a post that puts it in a more accurate way.

WHY PUZZLE PIECE HOVERS OVER TE LOTS CAUSE CRASHES
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What the player sees as a "TE lot" is the result of some special coding overrides in the lot, that lie to the network and automata *display* processes.  This way, they are "tricked" into drawing a continuous road for the player, with traffic, instead of displaying the ugly reality (a broken road with a bus stop in the middle of it).

These same lies cause the game to crash to desktop when someone hovers a "puzzle piece" over the lot.  The puzzle-piece preview thinks it's over a network (it believes the lie), so it goes looking for RUL tables so it can auto-orient itself.  Lots don't have the proper tables for this purpose; only networks do.  Null/random pointer, meet desktop.  This is not a "puzzle piece" problem, it's a TE-lot problem, and it's not solvable without modding the EXE itself. 

The underlying point is, the network doesn't *really* go through a TE lot.  That's just a clever display trick.  They're really just Transit Switch lots, like any other.

[Meeston]

Here's a post that puts it in a more accurate way.

WHY PUZZLE PIECE HOVERS OVER TE LOTS CAUSE CRASHES
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What the player sees as a "TE lot" is the result of some special coding overrides in the lot, that lie to the network and automata *display* processes.  This way, they are "tricked" into drawing a continuous road for the player, with traffic, instead of displaying the ugly reality (a broken road with a bus stop in the middle of it).

These same lies cause the game to crash to desktop when someone hovers a "puzzle piece" over the lot.  The puzzle-piece preview thinks it's over a network (it believes the lie), so it goes looking for RUL tables so it can auto-orient itself.  Lots don't have the proper tables for this purpose; only networks do.  Null/random pointer, meet desktop.  This is not a "puzzle piece" problem, it's a TE-lot problem, and it's not solvable without modding the EXE itself. 

The underlying point is, the network doesn't *really* go through a TE lot.  That's just a clever display trick.  They're really just Transit Switch lots, like any other.

okay. 

[Wiimeiser]

Then how come hovering a MHW Diamond Interchange over the Car & Ferry terminal doesn't cause any problems? (Can anyone actually confirm this?)

[Tarkus]

Maxis had some extra tricks at their disposal to prevent that.

-Alex

[memo]

Then how come hovering a MHW Diamond Interchange over the Car & Ferry terminal doesn't cause any problems? (Can anyone actually confirm this?)

That's because the issue will only occur if both puzzle piece and TE lot make use of the same network. In your case, you could try the road viaduct ramp which will certainly result in a CTD. This is why some of the TIA stations are transit-enabled using OWRs. Also, if the puzzle piece meets certain strict criteria, it will never cause a CTD, like the straight elevated road viaduct, for instance.

Edit: I missread your post. I should learn what a Diamond Interchange is. Alex, do you know more about that?

[MandelSoft]

However, when you hover a MHW interchange over a MHW toll booth, both standard items in the game, the game will CTD

[Meeston]

However, when you hover a MHW interchange over a MHW toll booth, both standard items in the game, the game will CTD

i know that. 

[Geometry123]

Okay, here's something to say:

GET BACK ON TOPIC!!!


Using the Euro textures, I find it a little stressful to use the elevated RHWs, because the inner and outer shoulders look the same to me. So, I have to activate the DrawPaths cheat to check the pathing.

To save time to build the elevated RHWs, what if you guys add guide arrows to the preview models of the elevated RHWs? That'll save time for me, because I don't have to spend a few seconds typing 'DrawPaths' in the cheat box. And/or switch to the default or Ontario texture sets.

[Meeston]

Okay, here's something to say:

GET BACK ON TOPIC!!!


Using the Euro textures, I find it a little stressful to use the elevated RHWs, because the inner and outer shoulders look the same to me. So, I have to activate the DrawPaths cheat to check the pathing.

To save time to build the elevated RHWs, what if you guys add guide arrows to the preview models of the elevated RHWs? That'll save time for me, because I don't have to spend a few seconds typing 'DrawPaths' in the cheat box. And/or switch to the default or Ontario texture sets.

okay. and i know that. 

[Wiimeiser]

Just want to go off-topic for a bit, to clarify: It will only crash if any part of it can be plopped on an existing network?

[Meeston]

Just want to go off-topic for a bit, to clarify: It will only crash if any part of it can be plopped on an existing network?

YES. also. do NOT use puzzle pieces. that's why i'm HATE puzzle pieces. 

[MandelSoft]

Nothing wrong with puzzle pieces. You just need to know how and when to use them, as many people before you learned that...

[Meeston]

Nothing wrong with puzzle pieces. You just need to know how and when to use them, as many people before you learned that...

okay. but AVE-8 will be on the NAM 32? i'm want the AVE-8. i love AVE-6. and AVE-8. 

[Kuewr665]

I recall that NAM 32 is said to focus on RHW stability and QuickChange, not NWM as planned.