Another issue I’m a bit lost as to the residential capacity. There aren’t really much references for the mid-rise of this size. Also should it be R$??
I disagree on all counts. I think this is a confused understanding of what and how Bat4Max does.
Plus it hold HUGE logical black hole - What is there to prevent BAT4Max to screw up in the case of new, fresh IDs?
Of course in a way one may say why not? If you want to create fresh IDs go ahead! On the other hand there is a danger in a approach that doesn't hold any logic and creates extra pointless work (re-working of the LOT) and creates false sense of understanding. That false taken as a truth would be used to built up farther logical constructs which ultimately also be false as they are grounded in reality.
PS I would love to see those proofs, as I may be wrong...
Checker board usually occurs when lighting rig has been discoupled with its controller. There are many ways that could happen - one when you merge and then delete rig, or rotated controller by accident.
That false taken as a truth would be used to built up farther logical constructs which ultimately also be false as they are grounded in reality.What on earth is that babble? Why is it whenever you are offered advice you start talking like Buddha and argue the toss? You hardly have a lot of experience with getting models into the game so I'd suggest you research a little more before dismissing what is taken as common practice by those of us who have released more than one BAT for the game.
Is it possible to RE-NAME ready SC4Model file and keep it working properly?
I'm thinking of making different versions (in terms of night effects) of the building and hoped that I can give Model File descriptive names. Given that such models would be mutually exclusive I didn't wanted to create entirely new set of IDs. Or am I wrong or missing something? Would such an approach work?
Great! The Model Files are ready and I could sen them to you (or send you a download link because there is 4 models there) in few minutes.
Am I correct in thinking that Desc file is a temporary thing and not needed (for distribution, at least) after the LOT file had been created. Also I could use same basic Desc file for all 4 different (differently named) Model files, right?
I've noticed those odd UI files, but wasn't sure what they were... My reader also crashes when clicking on them. I don't really know how they came to be though. What I did is simply re-run DAT FSH Insert from Max. If you could kindly explain to me how to get rid of them, or point me to the place which had some instruction on the matter (how exactly did you create new SC4Model file and copied into it all the necessary stuff?)
The first set of SC4Model Files was faulty as 3 out of 4 contained only night views. I've fixed that now and you can re-download the file, (I've just sent you new link). But these also contain those TGI 000 files...
yep I did fix mine ones here... I just made a copy of the origina file, purged it form all content and copied into it correct files... So basically there is no need to re-index anything, right?
First says it should be 800+ jobs, and second sayz wait a minute there ain't no CS$$ building close big to that.
Also, as I gather, the LOT stage is dependent on occupants per tile of LOT, but isn't it a bit skewed model? This in a way prohibit large public spaces associated with many large buildings found in bigger cities.
Shouldn't it also be more dependent on the density of the actual built up area?
The X_Tool gives an occupancy of R$:5499 and R$$: 3037. This gives a stage 10 on a 3x4 lot but by changing the footprint to allow a 3x3 lot it becomes stage 11.
Actually there is a tool in 3ds Max that calculates the volume of any given object. This way there is no need for filling degree estimation. Or do you think this is too much?Most of properties are based on boundingbox volume, some others need the height or only width/depth of boundingbox, hence the need of a proper filling degree estimation
I also have a couple of new questions. What shall I do if I want to make different color versions of the same building? Should they have unique TGI? I would also like to try make them into a building family so to randomize their appearance on the LOT.if 2 stuffs have same TGI then only one will be used in game
Another one is about making the "mega" lot with more then one building. AS far as I know only one object on the LOT can be building and as such have Occupancy, pollution and consumption data attached to it. So others would need to be props, right? In thin case how to make those numbers (consumption, occupancy, etc) scale with the size of the lot (number of buildings on it)?Use Building as prop and adjust the filling degree of the 'real building' by taking into account the volume of 'fake buildings'
Ripple:
Actually there is a tool in 3ds Max that calculates the volume of any given object. This way there is no need for filling degree estimation. Or do you think this is too much?
Sorry that I didn’t reply sooner.
I’ll try to address all the issue you’ve raised in your message. OK, let’s start.
Lots for the residential Corner and Corner+Tower combo.
Well, that project in a way fell through the gap between two software versions, to different lighting rigs, GI and other settings. Since I my projects are normally highly optimized for a give solution porting them often results in somewhat unpredictable results. To do it right (better still improve on the previous result) takes time and effort, sometime considerably bigger than making them in the first place. Naturally not always it appears as a reasonable solution. Additional issue was residents number, but more on this issue later. As for LOTs I did like them, but never gotten them though… and since you didn’t (apparently) sent them to me what could have I done?
Hangzhou Corner CS$$ building (aka QuiTao Building)
I sent you and Tage 4 different versions not to take all of them through the XTool. Since the difference was purely visual same numbers would be applicable. Idea was to receive some view as to the look. None had followed. I’m sorry for all the TGI 000000 files inside, not sure how they got in (probably as a result of truNite automating script I was starting working on at that time) But I’ve suggested that I can clear those out but Tage told me he had done it already.
Stats that were assigned to the building didn’t look logical to my eye. I didn’t know the inner workings of Xtool at that stage, but they just didn’t look right. Now, since Tage explained some of it to me I know why – that’s why the new discussion of volume estimation precision had started. Since I don’t have the tool I have to do it on paper or (what I’ve started doing) writing my own simple script for that purpose. As you could see the STEX release had numbers different then you’ve suggested (I thought that it was a suggestion that I could be free to choose to accept or not). I’ve tried to balance numbers from formulas with apparent bracketing system existing in Maxis default buildings. In the end I used the jobs number derived from precise volume of the building itself and consumption/pollution numbers adjust to the similar(by job numbers) default buildings.
In case of STEX I knew that I was within my right. I did inform downloaders what they were getting (sorry for the Stage8 – stage5 mixup more on this later). However, here, on LEX, I don’t have same possibility and the entire process isn’t the most clear one. I would have (if I could) uploaded the same files I did to STEX. On the other hand I still sort of wish to get more “scientific” about it.
Krost.
This one I can consider a poster boy for all the confusion about residents/jobs numbers and stages.
If I follow the logic of volume/floorage to the letter it would have 1317 residents and given its bated 3x3 lot be a stage 8 CAM building. Yet it is a 40+ storey skyscraper! IT would stick out very much among itss stage8 pears. Much smaller looking Maxis buildings have 2-3 times as many R$$ residents. Also if game operates with size of the LOD/LOD bounding box how would such a building fit in? All these are still very much open questions to me.
Since there wasn’t anything to LOT with this version of Krost I saw no reason to send it anywhere.
So for STEX release I just went with “looks” convention. The height of the building suggested stage8 (in conventional system) so I just gave the tower stats along the lines of other Maxis Stage8 R$$ building of similar (on a lower side) size. Again this was my own decision that I didn’t need to explain, just inform. Here with whole “scrutineers” concept it feels way different, as you need to explain yourself every step.
Stage8 vs.5 in QuiTao building.
I’m a bit surprised by this issue. I specifically had chosen the stage5 Cs$$ lot as a template. I didn’t know that somehow it will be reassigned as stage8 but Lot editor. Good to know of such illogical and hence hard to predict possibility. Shall check for this in the future.
All that said, I’m still somewhat in the dark as to the precise procedure one is suppose to follow here. For instance the whole read me thing. How and why should it be different than info I usually give on STEX? In what form/standard it should be provided?
PS.
new export of Res Corner with tower and trees had just finished. So the model is done, bu the same issue with resident number is evident here as well. Would I go with Volume the entire thing that fits on minimum 6x6 lot would have 943 R$$. This will make it stage 6 lot. But how would 25 storey tower look in stage6 environment, particularly a CAM stage6 one??
About pictures. I assume 250x188 is a minimum size, right? I mean in H terms...
JoeST:
Unfortunately information on those threads (I'm aware of them) doesn't answer my question in a definitive way.
I'm interested if filling degree value/property has any importance past occupancy/consumption/pollution number generation. Or once those numbers are obtained could be safely disposed of.
In my case since IO don't have an access to XTool but instead have very precise information on Volume what should I do?
Calculate this value? Or simple discard it, since I could come to all the figures without it?
When Tage returns I shall ask him about them as he did those.
but that does affects only statistics in "Cam survey" right? not the actual growability of the lot...
Volume: 39292 m3
FD: 0,9
| (http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee198/RippleJet/SimFoxP44SmallOrtho.jpg) | Occupant Size Width: Occupant Size Height: Occupant Size Depth: Occupant Size Volume: Model Volume: Filling Degree: | 31.0 m 69.9 m 20.0 m 43,338 m³ 39,292 m³ 0,907 |
| (http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee198/RippleJet/SimFoxP44SmallDiag.jpg) | Occupant Size Width: Occupant Size Height: Occupant Size Depth: Occupant Size Volume: Model Volume: Filling Degree: | 31.5 m 69.9 m 31.5 m 69,358 m³ 39,292 m³ 0,567 |
this is a purple(ish) version
So, please could someone make this happen?