I've been working at this new region for about a week now and I just can't get high density residential lots to grow. The city has huge demand, there's sufficient education, fire protection, police protection, hospitals, garbage pickup, water and parks. Even my commercial lots are growing high density skyscrapers. The residential areas just won't grow past medium density though! What could I be doing wrong? What am I missing?
How high is the region's population? A city with few residents won't grow big residential skyscrapers. I also assume you have zoned for high density and that you have some high density residential buildings in your plugin folder.
Regards,
Korot
the region has 125k population and the city has 62k
yes, I have high density zones and plugins.
Quote from: wck on May 15, 2011, 02:39:10 PM
the region has 125k population
With such a regional residential capacity you still wouldn't be getting anything higher than stage 9 residential towers, and that only with a chance smaller than 5%.
More information about the thresholds, above which different stages can grow and with what percentages, can be found
here (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=3578.0). ;)
Quote from: RippleJet on May 16, 2011, 03:56:11 PM
With such a regional residential capacity you still wouldn't be getting anything higher than stage 9 residential towers, and that only with a chance smaller than 5%.
More information about the thresholds, above which different stages can grow and with what percentages, can be found here (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=3578.0). ;)
yeah I was reading that and the Stage Density Limits thread (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=1987.0) but I found them too confusing.
How can I tell what stage my buildings are at?
Quote from: wck on May 25, 2011, 07:28:14 PM
How can I tell what stage my buildings are at?
Let's assume your regional residential (R$+R$$+R$$$) capacity is
125,000.
Then let's look at only the part of the table that you're in:
Quote from: RippleJet on January 16, 2008, 06:18:09 PM
Residential Stage Limits
The threshold values are in all cases the total regional residential capacity (not population): R§ + R§§ + R§§§.
R§ | R§§ | R§§§ | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage | Stage |
| | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 |
| |
86836 | 97655 | 108545 | 1 % | 3 % | 5 % | 16 % | 19 % | 23 % | 20 % | 11 % | 2 % |
108545 | 122069 | 135681 | 1 % | 2 % | 4 % | 12 % | 16 % | 21 % | 24 % | 15 % | 5 % |
First, let's check R$$$.
Your regional residential capacity has surpassed
108,545, but not yet reached
135,681.
Thus, the chances for R$$$ buildings that grow in your city would now be:
- Stage 1 - 1%
- Stage 2 - 3%
- Stage 3 - 5%
- Stage 4 - 16%
- Stage 5 - 19%
- Stage 6 - 23%
- Stage 7 - 20%
- Stage 8 - 11%
- Stage 9 - 2%
Similarily, for R$$ your regional residential capacity has surpassed
122,069.
Thus, the chances for R$$ buildings that grow in your city would now be:
- Stage 1 - 1%
- Stage 2 - 2%
- Stage 3 - 4%
- Stage 4 - 12%
- Stage 5 - 16%
- Stage 6 - 21%
- Stage 7 - 24%
- Stage 8 - 15%
- Stage 9 - 5%
And the same percentages would also apply for R$, since the regional residential capacity has surpassed
108,545.
alright, that makes sense. Thanks.
There's still something that's confusing me though. In looking at the Stage Density Limits thread (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=1987.0) there is a chart on how much capacity each stage will have per tile. Looking at, for example, stage 7:
| Stage | R$$$ | R$$ | R$ |
| 7 | 35,9 | 51,6 | 74,5 |
Now I have read the description before and after the chart several times, but still can't figure out what the number after the comma is for or why the higher stages don't have that.
also, how can I count the population of commercial and industrial jobs in the region without having to add the jobs from each individual city? is there a plugin/mod for this?
Those numbers behind the comma are simply the decimal numbers, i.e. in a Stage 7 R$$$ building there are at least 35.9 residents per tile. Thus, if the lot were to take up 10 tiles, the minimal capacity for this lot to be a Stage 7 R$$$ would be 359. As to why the higher stages don't have that number: I wouldn't know, but it's probably a simple design choice.
Regards,
Korot
Quote from: Korot on May 27, 2011, 02:22:30 PM
Those numbers behind the comma are simply the decimal numbers, i.e. in a Stage 7 R$$$ building there are at least 35.9 residents per tile. Thus, if the lot were to take up 10 tiles, the minimal capacity for this lot to be a Stage 7 R$$$ would be 359. As to why the higher stages don't have that number: I wouldn't know, but it's probably a simple design choice.
Regards,
Korot
why the comma instead of a decimal point? isn't that just confusing? What's the point?
Why the comma? 'Cause we Europeans use a comma where you Americans/Canadians use a decimal point, and vice versa (where you use a comma, we use a point). Ripplejet is European, and thus he uses a comma. If he were American, he might have used a point. I personally have no problem differentiating between them and figuring out which one is used as what, though I understand that if you're used to using a decimal point it might be confusing. As long as you realise that Europeans and Americans use different decimal dividers, you'll be fine.
Regards,
Korot
I have kind of the same problem... I use RadicalOne's Demand Mod. Everything was fine when I started my city, R-$$$ lots came up as normal. But since then, it always stops at R-$$ "DA Buildings", or "Stage 11 Bixel Block". R-$$$ just does not grow. The RCI shows R-$$$ demand to be around 12,000. Could someone please help?
Isn't it funny how Europeans never have problems understanding the strange decimal points used in a few countries... ::)
Thanks, Korot! :)
Quote from: wck on May 27, 2011, 04:41:16 AM
also, how can I count the population of commercial and industrial jobs in the region without having to add the jobs from each individual city? is there a plugin/mod for this?
Use the
Census Repository (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=6095.0)! ;)
Quote from: thornyjohny on May 29, 2011, 07:41:37 AM
I have kind of the same problem... I use RadicalOne's Demand Mod. Everything was fine when I started my city, R-$$$ lots came up as normal. But since then, it always stops at R-$$ "DA Buildings", or "Stage 11 Bixel Block". R-$$$ just does not grow. The RCI shows R-$$$ demand to be around 12,000. Could someone please help?
I'll answer that by quoting myself from a thread called
inCAMpatible Mods (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=1925.0)... :)
Quote from: RippleJet on August 03, 2007, 05:49:21 AM
Super Demand Mod (Not Demand Ordinance) (http://www.simtropolis.com/stex/details.cfm?id=22391) by RadicalOne
This mod sets the demand for individual RCI types to either exactly 0 or exactly 6,000.
CAM changes the maximum demand to 24,000 for residentials and commercials,
and stage 15 residential and commercial towers may have capacities exceeding 20,000.
This mod would thus effectively block all higher capacity CAMeLots from growing.
So I can't use the demand mod? &mmm
:'( nope
BUT
()stsfd() you can use this one XX Turbo v1.0 (http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=2462)
QuoteThis mod expands the RCI Demand Graph, from -10,000 to 50,000. It also increases the maximum growth rate to 52,000, in order to speed up the game a bit, provided you have enough demand, and the ability to handle it all. And to get your cities started faster, Initial Demand for R$, CS$, ID, and IR has been boosted to 500 each, to start out with a little more oopmh. Not recommended for systems that are already starting to smoke when you play the game. This mod has been tested extensively with CAM & SC4 Deluxe/Rush Hour, with no compatibility issues. If using CAM, the install path is very important, in order to load xx_turbo after CAM.
;D
And I had these problems some time ago and installed so that the type and 2 mods for my residential buildings failed to grow, but never appeared on stage in 15 buildings for $ $ $. Finally found a way to change the demand for CAM and values which have now been constant. I dare say that today there is no player in the world with high demand from me. I have 65,000 to R $ $ $, CO $ $ $ and CS $ $ $ and I-HT and repeat these values never decrease no matter what you do with taxes.
With pleasure I would share this with you all but I still think it is not appropriate because Tage holds the copyright on CAM.
Ivo
Quote from: Gringamuyloca on June 03, 2011, 06:24:12 PM
:'( nope
BUT
()stsfd() you can use this one XX Turbo v1.0 (http://sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=2462)
;D
Thanks for the info, Gringamuyloca, but this doesn't solve my problem. The maximum demand possible has been raised to 50,000, but the actual demand is still very low. ()sad()
Quote from: ivo_su on June 05, 2011, 04:02:15 PM
And I had these problems some time ago and installed so that the type and 2 mods for my residential buildings failed to grow, but never appeared on stage in 15 buildings for $ $ $. Finally found a way to change the demand for CAM and values which have now been constant. I dare say that today there is no player in the world with high demand from me. I have 65,000 to R $ $ $, CO $ $ $ and CS $ $ $ and I-HT and repeat these values never decrease no matter what you do with taxes.
With pleasure I would share this with you all but I still think it is not appropriate because Tage holds the copyright on CAM.
Ivo
Would uploading this be a copyright violation? It really sounds like it could solve the problem. :thumbsup:
I never thought I upload anywhere that my version of CAM because it wrong. However, a large part in creating is done by Tage and I've changed a few things and would not be fair. My version does not pretend to realism and I'm sure it will be subjected to massive criticism and discontent but I did a great job today. So if you will give it to someone then that someone would just Tage to test it and tell your opinion.
Ivo
Um...No offense, but I didn't really understand... ???
Well let me try to explain although I do not know if I can. So this whole project "CAM" is the design and implementation of Tage (RippleJet) therefore no one else has the right to uploading anywhere. Ethically not correct to use 99% of its work and to change the detail and 2-3 to name the author. I just use SC4Tool and changed the values of the demand to cosmic levels.
I knew that the maximum capacity of the building is 65,535 and for this I decided to do a high demand (65 000) affluent buildings
R-$$$
CO-$$$
CS-$$$
I-HT-$$$
and very low demand for all I do not want buildings. So accomplished to build the cities I only buildings of the type that I want. This is cheating but in real life politicians cheat and we're all mayors in the game right?
I hope I was clear enough and if you knew me would ask Tage explain in more detail.
This is from me for now.
Ivo
Oh, so you modified the CAM to change the demand, right?I got it now. And you can use the SC4 Tool to do that kind of stuff?
I'm glad you understand me. Can not use SC4 Tool as this and many other things. This is one of the most useful programs nyay I have worked with and can really do much with it.
If I can be useful will be happy to help.
Ivo
This does sound promising. I'll try it out soon.