I play waterfront cities almost exclusively. Long ago, I started using PEG's garbage docks.
Recently I started a landlocked city, and discovered I had no method other than landfills of getting rid of garbage. I made a quick shot over to Simtropolis for a utility, and I came across a 1x1 trash can that cost 5$ a month, and got rid of all the trash on even the largest city tile. All the sudden, I remember all the things I tried to get rid of trash before I settled on the trash docks. Trash docks are at least realistic, Some cities load their trash on huge barges and send them on long trips, most of the garbage washes over the side before they reach their destination. New York had a famous barge at one point that had been at sea for almost a year back in the early 80's.
In my mind, reserving a tile with minimal landfill, and then dumping all my trash into a neighbor deal is about the same as dumping it all in a 1x1 trash can.
I am using PEG's trash chute right now (a whole line of them actually), but I have to be honest, I am about ready to get Simgoober's black hole...
So it's time to fess up folks...
How do you get rid of your trash?
I tend to build my cities across multiple tiles, so I tend to have all but one tile on a mod that eliminates all garbage - so none is produced. Then on one tile, I build a realistic landfill or use the garbage docks if the city has a large enough seaport.
Hi joshua43214
I use the SFBT garbage shipping rail yard. In large cities I use several - usually one near the neighbor connections. I'll add the SimGoober waste to energy plant if three SFBT yards can't handle the load. Then the CSX rural waste to energy as it will handle a ton of stuff if I have a city of 1,000,000 or more. But the CSX plant can cause a lot of air pollution. So I'll put a SimGoober air purifier next to it. I sometimes put the Peg garbage chute next to a river and send refuse down stream or push it into a pond if I'm playing a rural city. I don't like using those 1X1 super garbage holes but that's just me I suppose.
Have fun
- Jim
I use Cogeo's incinerator and burn it. The plants last around 70 years and they're dirt cheap compared to the alternatives.
I've gotten some good use of the garbage docks by PEG, and like jmyers, I swear by the SFBT railyard. I think that yard is the primary means of disposal in most of my cities. Where does it go? I haven't quite figured that out yet. I think I may have one or two other garbage lots, but none that I use with any regularity. There is one lot (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=3435.msg390555#msg390555) that I know of that I've been waiting for.
Hope that helps.
-Matt
Ecological incinerator (http://www.simpeg.com/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=364) and some recycle centres.
I don't know how the trash rail yard went under my radar.
I cobbled this together for amusement... its far too expensive atm, nearly 5k.mo
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I think the gas depot looks nice between the incinerators and the urban waste management lots.
I had to use the Simgoobers air cleaner, between the modern waste to energy, and the incinerators this things is a mess lol
Have a lot of garbage? Need to deal with them, with maximum efficiency and zero environmental impacts? This is my way, a serious powerhouse!
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Robotic garbage carriers drop all the garbages in a large pit.
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By tubes, the garbages are transporting into picotechnological level recycle centres. By molecular fragmentation and reunification, all garbages turns into new products, like quantum computers and intelligent cars.
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Then the new products are going to ship to the nearest cities by spacecrafts or underground railroads and highways.
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This is the entrance of the facility. We can see the underground parking garage for the workers, as well as 2 bus stops and a subway station. The place it's a bit stinky, so the workers can have a rest in domed parks.
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Bonus picture ;D
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Terring, what in the world is that and where can I dl it?? ;D
Which one? There are a lot of stuff that I download ;D
Why don't you just make me a list of what mods you have there? ;D
I recognize a couple, like the piping system or the PEG Gasification plant, but what is that garbage pit all about? Is it a single lot or a collection of lots?
Oh, and did I say that thing is really cool? :thumbsup:
There's no garbage solution, that is clean, cheap and realistic at the same time! But if you want to cheat... the Reader can create lots that make "wonders"... I remember a "super utility" lot by RalphaelNinja which was taking your garbage, producing electricity and water, costing peanuts, and housed in a 1x1 lot! Of course! Another known cheat is build a W2E plant and set funding to 0. The fact that Maxis allows it doesn't make it less of a cheat, you get garbage disposal services for free. Not to mention PEG's garbage chute. But a rather unknown cheat is get a neighbour city, zone some landfill, and sign a deal. Yes! It will take your garbage for pennies, because of a bug in cost calculation. The emptier the landfill the lower the rate! The actual cost must be around $3.3/ton, but it will ask you far far less. And the landfill will never get full, as long as you don't "run" that city.
At $3.3/ton, landfills are actually one of the most expensive utilities, second only to recycling centres, which in turn are badly modded. They cost $350/month, for processing some 18 tons of garbage, ie the cost is about $20/ton, which is prohibitive. So I don't use recycling centres. I was thinking of making a larger recycling centre, serving more people, for a cost of some $6-7 per tone, still the most expensive utility by far, but a viable (though expensive) option for a "green" mayor.
Any garbage disposal utility costing below $1.0/ton should rather be considered "cheaty".
Wait, what? Did I just see Wall E's, epic win. &apls
Quote from: Architect_1077 on August 31, 2011, 02:26:30 PMWhy don't you just make me a list of what mods you have there? ;D
I recognize a couple, like the piping system or the PEG Gasification plant, but what is that garbage pit all about? Is it a single lot or a collection of lots?
You can get the plopable landfill from
here (http://www.simpeg.com/forum/index.php?topic=9606.msg191995#msg191995). I also use the Hyperspace Garbage Disposal and the Biomass Power Plant from
SimMars (http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/25031-simmars-beta-3/). You can get them from
here (http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/25410-memories-of-the-colonists/).
Quote from: Architect_1077 on August 31, 2011, 02:26:30 PMOh, and did I say that thing is really cool? :thumbsup:
Thanks :)
Quote from: j-dub on August 31, 2011, 09:32:25 PMWait, what? Did I just see Wall E's, epic win. &apls
Yes, you saw
Wall-E (http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/23335-wall-e-garbage-truck-replacement/)'s ;D
Thanks Terring :)
I can't remember exactly where I found them (take a look in the Japanese BAT section here at SC4Devotion though, because I believe they will be in there), but I found both the SC3 type incinerator and a waste to energy incinerator available and I use those on land locked lots. It is at least a believable and realistic way to get rid of the garbage.
There comes a point where you just can't zone enough landfill to deal with it all in game, as the garbage hangs around forever.
Also, be sure to use the maxis provided recycling center and enforce the trash presort ordnance, it helps some.
And actually, the idea of having the trash sent to a neighbor city is very realistic. Where I live in a small town, that is exactly how we get our garbage dealt with. People who live out in the county can simply put there trash in a 55 gallon drum barrel and burn it (though as for now with the bad drought, there is a burn ban preventing that indefinitely).
I can see a day when the whole world recycles as much as is possible. It will be a much nicer place to live I think. :)
I'd really like to make something similar to Terring's creation but I can't find those pipelines he used. Can I ask for the item's name please?
Here are the pipes --> http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/files/file/18186-nob-series-add-parts-and-wtoe-ver2/
I love garbage....well, up to a point that is, because it is a RL fact and we all have the problem to manage it.
In one of my biggest regions, I play the garbage problem as it is irl. Meaning, I export it to the neighboring tile and then export it to another neighboring tile until I reach that one citytile right in the middle of my region that will be able to hold all that incoming garbage from all the other cities. Which of course makes it enormous and quite interesting and challenging to handle and organize. IRL that is the way it functions, not every town or city has it's own garbage disposal and most of the garbage is brought to one specific place....(at least that's the way it works here in Québec/Canada)
On the picture seen below you can see some barnlike or warehouse like structures. These are custom bats and lots that I made into garbage burners and power converters which will slowly and partially burn some of the garbage, so I will not just fill up the citytile after a certain time. These of course produce power (energy) which in return will sell it's product to the neighboring citytile and so on, creating a chain of garbage/energy exchange in the whole region of 32 tiles.
Took me freaking long to calculate organize, but it was worth it, because it is an interesting gameplay which makes the game more fun to play and creating a real life situation in my SC4.
Fred
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Oooh, what a seashore!!! ;D
Some notes:
- Such narrow landfill stripes waste space, there are not just the streets you have between, there are the tile types too. Only the middle tile has a full capacity, the side tiles have 50% of the capacity, and the corners only 25%. For a better explanation of what is a middle, side or corner tile, hover your cusrsor over them, and you will see what I mean. They are not less efficient (economically) though, because maintenance costs are proportional, but this IS a waste of space. In these three-tiles wide landfills, less than 1/3 of the tiles can have the highest capacity. Maybe try to aggregate some to larger "lots", only don't do this for landfills that already have garbage, because you will activate the landfill bug.
- Or, if your garbage supply is adequate, and demand for electricity in the region is high, build another W2E plant (or yours), so that some of the landfills are emptied. Btw the W2E plant (normally funded) is actually the only utility type that can make some profit, and this is again due to another... bug, because the game calculates the cost twice, ie for both the garbage disposal and electricity generation.
And a question, have you calculated the cost of operating the landfills? If my calculations are correct, it must be around $3.3 per ton. The game charges much lower rates though.
Hi Fred
Quote from: mrbisonm on September 05, 2011, 11:54:51 AM
... I love garbage
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Hands down the most unique way of doing garbage I've seen. Way to go, Fred!!!
- Jim
cogeo, don't take it too seriously. Well, I know all about the costs, the advantages and disadvantages of doing so, it still is a game. It was a challenge to do so and it worked.
First, the garbage site is on a large tile in the midle of my region. There is nothing else than a road, rail and a highway going through. It is on flat land, separated by a river. There are no residents, commercials and Industrials growth in that tile, all there is....is garbage. Room for garbage I have about enough to furnish 3 regions like the one I have with about 2.7 million sims.
What you see on the picture is about only a third of what exactly is in that tile concerning garbage. Many more power producing stations from burning the rubbish exist and many more garbage tiles are still available, only filling about 20% of the citytile.
I will have to go back to that part and take a few more detailed pictures of that specific tile with the massive garbage disposal, if anyone is interested.
The concept is simple: ALL, and I mean ALL the garbage produced in the entire region is delivered to this exact centertile (large) which in return produces about 40 % of All power needed in the region.
Since my big Garbage burning facility BAT is still in the making, I meanwhile used one of my barns to replace the model. It looks a bit weird but it functions very well. The burning capacity is something like 8 times higher than the Maxis Rubbish Burner, and I have about 5 of them in that tile (if I remember right), meaning I burn a lot of rubbish while it produces a lot of energy that is being sold to the neighboring citytiles and so on, just as with the garbage, going from one tile to another all round the region, creating a Network of power and garbage.
Wasting space is not a problem, I know about the
corner and sidetiles having less space for the garbage, but it totally seemed useless to use the zoning to its advantage, since what I wanted is a pleasing effect for the eye.....my eye that is, since this region has not been shown anywhere.
So, what you said above, cogeo, is totally true and makes sense for a place that has limited space and is aiming for efficacity more than functional "eyecandy". I agree with you all the way that there's a better way to do so.
In the beginning it was an idea that became a test and then a challenge to do so and today I am pleased with the results and the tremendous amounts of time I spent (and still spend every time I enter one of these citytiles which have to be re-adjusted everytime) by doing so. It has become a pleasure and I am proud to have it done this way, probably the only one that did so with SC4.
Like I said before, I like garbage....lol...in SC4 that is. It looks cool and works well in different ways, although it has some bugs and some "not so real" aspects.
Right now I am burning almost as much garbage as comes in to produce electricity. Not much new garbage tiling space is being filled at the moment. But everything has to be re-adjusted, I mean every citytile that connects with another needs to accept more garbage from the neighbors and sell more power every time you play in one of them. Sometimes a pain in the "unowat". ;) But fun, and that was the main interest I had on this well executed project.
Thanks Jim, try it, it is challenging fun.... ;)
Fred
Hi Fred ...
Excellent and very clever work with garbage :thumbsup:
Very interesting indeed Fred.
This is the same way I deal with my garbage. One tile collects it all and dishes out some power.
Robin
I have to say, I'm loving this thread.
@mrbisonm, I tried doing that once. I hated having to constantly fix my neighbor deals. I had massive abandonment once when I didn't notice I was out of power because I was fixing some small. Honestly though, your garbage town looks so cool, I'm tempted to try it again.
Odd how my advisors are in a major rush to complain about dropped chalk, but never seem to let me know when I'm low on power or water...
thanks Terring7 for the Wal E link :)
had to have it lol
Actually, I may have to try my hand at lotting a few new garbage type lots for my cities. Granted I can't model to save my life, but that is the beauty of dependencies. :)
Some to consider (native to my area):
1. City disposal yard: Just like my home town, has a pair of roll-offs for appliances and the like that can't go into the dumpsters, as well as a large brush pile that is run through a chipper once or twice a year. It should actually make money for the city, as the people have to pay $5 per pickup truck load to dump.
2. Small town recycling: Low cost, again just a number of roll-off type dumpsters that people can take their presorted recyclables to. Usually hauled off to the large city recycling centers 1 or 2 times per month.
3. City services lot: Just some dump trucks, back-hoes and an office on a lot. Once a year around my town, the city will send out crews to pick up stuff that is too big for the dumpster as a courtesy service to the community (especially the elderly). They go by in trucks picking up anything you leave in the alley by the dumpster...furniture and appliances, etc. This is done at no cost to the community. Naturally it would only remove a very small amount of garbage, but basically it is just loaded up into a dump truck and taken straight to the regional dump by the city at the city's cost.
Anyway, I may try my had at it this weekend, but if someone who is actually good at lotting sees this, maybe they can get some ideas. ;)
Quote from: mrbisonm on September 05, 2011, 11:54:51 AM
... I love garbage
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I wish there are a few 1x1 & 1x2 Shanty homes/shack residential lots to go with something as grand as this. That way something like these disheartening images can be re-created in-game:
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Also, I apologize if these pictures might offend or would be distasteful & I definitely do not intend to bum anyone out :(
But these are actual (in real life) world scenes, people who have homes & live out life at a dump site (landfill).
Quote from: CahosRahneVeloza on September 15, 2011, 04:03:01 PM
I wish there are a few 1x1 & 1x2 Shanty homes/shack residential lots to go with something as grand as this. That way something like these disheartening images can be re-created in-game:
Also, I apologize if these pictures might offend or would be distasteful & I definitely do not intend to bum anyone out :(
But these are actual (in real life) world scenes, people who have homes & live out life at a dump site (landfill).
I know these pictures are a reminder of real life situations in some countries. I have seen these in RL before in Gabon and near Mexico City and I am sure that unfortunely many other such places exist all over the world.
I am working hard on a Mega mega Modern Farm building set at the moment, but when I am finished, I just may look into this and find or create something like this above that could fit in with the available garbage lots.
I like your idea. ;)
Fred
Black Hole Waste Management, all I need!
Quote from: mrbisonm on September 16, 2011, 08:05:21 PM
Quote from: CahosRahneVeloza on September 15, 2011, 04:03:01 PM
I wish there are a few 1x1 & 1x2 Shanty homes/shack residential lots to go with something as grand as this. That way something like these disheartening images can be re-created in-game:
Also, I apologize if these pictures might offend or would be distasteful & I definitely do not intend to bum anyone out :(
But these are actual (in real life) world scenes, people who have homes & live out life at a dump site (landfill).
I know these pictures are a reminder of real life situations in some countries. I have seen these in RL before in Gabon and near Mexico City and I am sure that unfortunely many other such places exist all over the world.
I am working hard on a Mega mega Modern Farm building set at the moment, but when I am finished, I just may look into this and find or create something like this above that could fit in with the available garbage lots.
I like your idea. ;)
Fred
Oh cool! :)
I'm glad you liked the idea.