I do like the likes. Thx for the fast implementation. I didn't expect that.
I'm sure this helps to adress the fast positive response in MDs and CJs without writing a generic one-liner.
Glad you liked it! Hehe.
Have you also seen the site wide like stats (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?action=likepostsstats) already? Will be interesting to keep tabs on I think, seeing this is a brand new addition to the forum. To check your own stats simply follow the Total Likes link under your avatar, it's split into given & received.
If you folks have more ideas, we're open to suggestions. With an eye on SC4D 10 year anniversary come November we were already entertaining the notion of doing bit of site maintenance. Speaking of, suggestions how to mark the occasion itself are welcome as well.
+1 on the like button, sure does make it possible to let the MD authors know you enjoyed their work without having to leave a generic 'That's Great!" message reply each time.
I also like the fact you are open to suggestions on the site maintenance. Unlike most places you are at least listening to us. :)
I really think this is a good idea. As was already mentioned, it can be tiring always writing a generic phrase to show you like an image or diary or some other work. I'm not always motivated to write a longer paragraph about how amazing something is (or sometimes simply don't have the time), so it's nice to be able to express your support quickly when you don't have the time to write something longer. I feel like since more people will probably take a second and hit a like button that MD-ers will get a better idea of their readership and how much people like their work.
Kudos to the staff for being so responsive to their community. &apls
Exactly. There is a very few occasion when I comment an MD or CJ which does not mean I wouldn't admire the seen pictures.
One suggestion came into my mind at this moment but it maybe an existing thing. Would it be possible to PIN topics onto the main page? For example I would like to see always on the front page My personal development topic, and the NAM Development topic etc... independently from the actual new comments. But that would be some kind of extension for the current front page structure.
Now that was quick and unexpected (yes I did see the discussion yesterday - but didn't comment then ::) )!
My hope now is that I and everyone else will be able to use this sensibly, that is not as a lazy way to skip making a real comment, but to express previously silent but appreciating lurkership. Hitting a like is not the same as commenting, but a good way of saying "thanks".
And I think we should give a big thanks to Arthur as well for raising the question! No matter if he reads this I think he deserves a +1 too for sparking the change. :)
And, a final thought, how do people see this affecting the MD ranking system? What about lowering the comments requirement to reflect the smaller size of the community (as discussed previously) and introducing a number of likes component as well?
I have just woken up and I feel that this Like feature really fits with the times. I feel it is a move in the right direction! :)
My understanding so far....
Karma is the reward for outstanding high achievements made by an individual that has made in the space of SC4 in terms of showing what can be done for the game.
Likes are rewards for appreciations for contributions like on ST. They show appreciation without having to explain too much. Like a smile from a friend :)
So... This is good news for the site.
Well I have some free time so it is down to business to try and get my content for the NAM sorted for NAM 35 ?$%kar&%h
-eggman121
Quote from: Tyberius06 on September 26, 2016, 12:07:09 PM
One suggestion came into my mind at this moment but it maybe an existing thing. Would it be possible to PIN topics onto the main page? For example I would like to see always on the front page My personal development topic, and the NAM Development topic etc... independently from the actual new comments. But that would be some kind of extension for the current front page structure.
We do have a "My Bookmarks" feature that you should be able to access from the top menu bar--adding topics to that list is possible through clicking the "Add bookmark" button at the top of any page in a thread. I've started looking for a way to merge that info onto the front page, but I've yet to figure out a way. We're using TinyPortal as our content management system (CMS) currently, which hasn't received a lot of attention from its developer in some time. The one PHP code snippet I found for integrating the bookmarks with TinyPortal was ancient (2008) and broke the front page when I tried to use it. :D It looks like it can be done somehow, but we'll have to look for an alternate solution.
Quote from: Themistokles on September 26, 2016, 12:36:38 PM
And, a final thought, how do people see this affecting the MD ranking system? What about lowering the comments requirement to reflect the smaller size of the community (as discussed previously) and introducing a number of likes component as well?
There has been periodic discussion among the staff about adjusting the MD ranking system. Nothing definite has come out of those discussions yet, and we haven't yet factored in any role the new Likes system will have on that. I do think it is time we revisit that topic, however--thank you for bringing it back to our attention. :thumbsup:
-Alex
Quote from: Tarkus on September 26, 2016, 02:01:46 PM
We do have a "My Bookmarks" feature that you should be able to access from the top menu bar--adding topics to that list is possible through clicking the "Add bookmark" button at the top of any page in a thread. I've started looking for a way to merge that info onto the front page, but I've yet to figure out a way. We're using TinyPortal as our content management system (CMS) currently, which hasn't received a lot of attention from its developer in some time. The one PHP code snippet I found for integrating the bookmarks with TinyPortal was ancient (2008) and broke the front page when I tried to use it. :D It looks like it can be done somehow, but we'll have to look for an alternate solution.
Oops. I may have a problem. I checked the whole page and my settings aswell, but I haven't found any "bookmark" option anywhere. No buttons, no "My Bookmarks", nothing... The closest thing what I found, that a "Board-ignor list" or so.
But maybe I'm just blind...
But this is how my SC4Devotion page looks like. (attached picture)
- Tyberius
huh ???
Well this is certainly worth looking into, it should be in between My Messages and Calendar.
Are there more people who are missing the My Bookmarks tab?!
:facepalm: . . turned out it were improper settings on our end. Everyone should see the bookmarks now.
Quote from: vortext on September 26, 2016, 02:28:18 PM
huh ???
Well this is certainly worth looking into, it should be in between My Messages and Calendar.
Are there more people who are missing the My Bookmarks tab?!
:facepalm: . . turned out it were improper settings on our end. Everyone should see the bookmarks now.
Or no. :( I still don't see any changes. I logged out and in again, nothing. Well, I don't know, could that be a problem if I'm using Google Chrome browser on my PC laptop?
Sorry yeah, it'll probably take a day or so before the changes are propagated through all DNS servers. The issue should be resolved though, if it persist please let us know.
No need to worry about DNS propagation--it's a forum permission issue. Just needed a little more Admin magic.
-Alex
OMG! here too.... and so it goes walking the humanity!
Generation Like (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/generation-like/)
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The explanation for this compulsion to "likes" is in the brain. More specifically in the nucleus accumbens, a region located in the lower front part linked to the feeling of pleasure. The Freie Institute in Berlin, measured the brain activity of volunteers as they received feedback about themselves. They soon realized that the nucleus accumbens was more active when these returns were positive. Already the teacher Kristen Lindquist of the University of North Carolina showed that people receive a dose of dopamine, a substance released by the brain that gives the feeling of pleasure and reward, when they receive likes or have their retweets posts - effect like the cocaine. "Over time you need more and more of that substance to feel the same thing," says Kristen. Studies such as these are the first to portray it. In the coming months should be disclosed other. "The addiction to social networks has not yet been included in the diagnostic manual and statistics of psychiatric disorders, but there are researchers working on it," says Dar Meshi, Freie researcher.
must somehow explain why anyone would think that having a more "likes" is more valuable than a comment making praise or criticism to a job that maybe were less in this case but as the study seems to point out what really matters would be the amount to obtain complete satisfaction and not the content.
..... sad times :(
Even better Alex. :thumbsup:
Also NCGAIO while I understand the sentiment also consider the upside please. The text you quote literally says receiving social feedback is linked to the feeling of pleasure. The hyperbole science speak associating dopamine with cocaine is a bit misleading as the brain pretty much runs on dopamine to begin with (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine#Functions_in_the_brain). Consequently lots of behaviors can become addictive, overeating for example. However it doesn't mean the behavior itself, eating, is unhealthy.
Besides it gives everyone a better gauge on audience & participation.
I have to side at least in part with NCGAIO. My first thoughts upon seeing the like button today was along the lines of "oh.. no, no, no, not here too!".
I worry that likes end up taking the place of comments and actual discussion, that's the anecdotal feeling I got from ST after their introduction.
Likes also complicate things too, am I the only one who gets the feeling liking something becomes arbitrary? Or that I should like X because the user liked my stuff. I know I'm not exactly normal, but it does get me into a bit of muddle sometimes. The other day I was checking an update to a popular thread (ST), I just got into a loop trying to decide what I should and shouldn't click like too. Like somehow I wasn't doing the right thing if I didn't bother to click the button. Then I thought to myself, I simply can't just like everything, even if it's merited. I know it's a stupid thing to get flustered over, but nonetheless I do.
On the other hand, I think we all see what Art was getting at in his post the other day. Perhaps just knowing people did enjoy something you've posted would help people to feel their contributions are more valued. I do get that the like button adds a simple way to efficiently do this. But what of all those users who post but don't get likes, by comparison, have we thought about how they might feel?
I guess when it comes down to it, a system of likes is too impersonal for me. I'd rather see comments and healthy discussion. Although there really isn't much of that going on these days :(. Either way, I have the succinct idea that most people will disagree with me, like it or not, just like Social Media (good luck trying to find me there ;)), likes are probably here to stay.
I agree that it is an imperfect system, but Karma is rather valuable, and often I feel cheap just leaving a post like:
QuoteGreat stuff :)
Sometimes it suffices, and I have done it before, but to me it seems soul-sucking to just leave a post like that. Plus, it inflates my post count with nothings, and I really hate that too (not that, if you do this, it's wrong; I just don't like it on my account).
It does seem to be at least an effective metric for people to gauge the level of response to their posts; it can be difficult for some people to post, especially in Show Us Your Threads... (which, I admit, aren't really supposed to garner likes anyways) or in situations like me with Arthur's work; Japanese cities all kinda look the same and repetitive to me, and commenting how much I like them would seem remiss, but I do want to let him know that I appreciate his work. How do I do this and not end up being insincere? The LIKE button is an easy out; I do appreciate his contribution, and I like his style, but I find it really hard to appreciate work that to me looks extremely similar to all other of the same kind (If I may say so without degrading the amount of time/effort spent on each city, which is not insignificant).
I'm not on social media either, but there are times when analogues from it can be useful, especially in helping revive a slowly fading community.
Quote from: eggman121 on September 26, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
Likes are rewards for appreciations for contributions like on ST. They show appreciation without having to explain too much. Like a smile from a friend :)
On this note, one way of making likes more personal and less like a generic "like" statistics would maybe be to replace the like button with a smiley face, and maybe even line up the avatars of the people who have liked the post next to it. I've no idea how feasible that would be in technical terms, though. :)
Misson accomplished - discussion started :)
I think we are all aware of the downside of this system as the "generation like" thingy is discussed on all sorts of channels in the last couple of years.
Quote from: mgb204 on September 26, 2016, 07:12:57 PM
But what of all those users who post but don't get likes, by comparison, have we thought about how they might feel?
This might indeed be a problem, but in the light of Art128's post and the implication that likes might have helped there to some extend, it ends up in a balance of values.
Quote from: mgb204 on September 26, 2016, 07:12:57 PM
Likes also complicate things too, am I the only one who gets the feeling liking something becomes arbitrary?
From my understanding, it should not become arbitrary, but close to it. For me, it's just a little bit more meaningful than "views". If in doubt, I would just give the like - it costs me nothing but may spend a warm feeling on the other side. I think it's ok to like posts from a new started MD of a forum freshman if they aren't that great. If there aren't any replies to him, the likes may keep him staying with the comunity.
I also like the like function, but there is a thing I don't like so much in the like function as much I would like. (confuse? %confuso)
The graphics of the like button and unlike button, honestly, they could look better. I've made two quick buttons, which I believe can be worked out a bit more, if you give me some feedback. But I think they would look better.
Quote from: gn_leugim on September 27, 2016, 10:00:52 AM
I also like the like function, but there is a thing I don't like so much in the like function as much I would like.
I agree. Not in that I don't like the aesthetics of the like button, but that I'd like to suggest using the :) symbol instead (maybe a little larger?). To me, it would convey the intent of the like button better than "like". Albeit it might not be a marvel of aesthetics.
Quote from: Themistokles on September 27, 2016, 10:14:45 AM
I agree. Not in that I don't like the aesthetics of the like button, but that I'd like to suggest using the :) symbol instead (maybe a little larger?). To me, it would convey the intent of the like button better than "like". Albeit it might not be a marvel of aesthetics.
I imagine the plain :) symbol to not be recognised as a clickable "like"-button. The "like" phrase is known all over the internet, so everybody knows and imediatly recognise the function. Although I have to admit that the symbol would look nicer.
if the button could be moved to some other point on the post, maybe in the header? and the :) with text 'like' next to it, that would maybe work better?
Quote from: JoeST on September 27, 2016, 12:26:20 PM
if the button could be moved to some other point on the post, maybe in the header? and the :) with text 'like' next to it, that would maybe work better?
also this! yes :)
Quote from: JoeST on September 27, 2016, 12:26:20 PM
if the button could be moved to some other point on the post, maybe in the header?
on the other hand, currently it's rigth there where it's needed after finishing to read a lengthy CJ.
Quote from: Seaman on September 27, 2016, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: JoeST on September 27, 2016, 12:26:20 PM
if the button could be moved to some other point on the post, maybe in the header?
on the other hand, currently it's rigth there where it's needed after finishing to read a lengthy CJ.
That's a fair point. Reading a post to then have to scroll up to like it doesn't make any sense.