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For the past two days I have been removing lots made by cerulean and ripptide from the STEX and replaced their files with redirects to the LEX. I have been asked to do it since both those members are AWOL and we wanted to give their brilliant work a new home. Now I have around 80 files to upload here so it may take some days before the file you are searching for will be available. Keep checking back and thanks for your patience.
Same thing is happening with Colyn's files and mine but it will take time to get them here. There may be some with old dependency lists for the time being too. Sorry but only so much can be done at any one time.
I have now also removed gascooker's lots and the BSC version of the Amsterdam Central Station from the STEX. All of these lots will also be uploaded here but as Barby said, it will take some time so please stay patient while we continue our work to move and upload the files here.
I'm not a member of BSC, but i would like to say, that moving alot of older files from the stex to here is a great idea. it will indeed give new life to alot of creations thought to have been forgotton about. thank you and great job ;)
:-[ Oufff, I need the seawalls and I was afraid not been able to find them anymore....
Good luck for your new website.
This is very good... Mostly because you are updating the dependancy lists!!
Diggis and Vab are going to go spare :D :D :D
Thanks for doing this Kristina and Barby...It's a great way to see what I missed amongst the haystack that is STEX.
I'm not sure what "go spare" means, but I'm hoping that it doesn't mean Diggis and I did all the work compiling and cross-checking and getting everything in one location for nothing. &ops
So when a user clicks on an STEX link to something that's been moved, is there any indication to where it's been relocated? Is it just the lots that are being moved or the props/textures as well?
Spare isn't the word for it..... :angrymore:
What would be nice is if those creators who have access and are uploading the stuff to the BSCLEX could add the links into the registry at Pegs and, if you are removing the file completly from STEX, remove that link too.
Only lots are being moved from the STEX, diggis and vab. The dependency packs are still there and wil stay there for the foreseeable future.
Thanks Barby. For a moment in time, I saw a great collaborative effort go down in flames, and thought mine and Diggis' bleeding eyeballs were for naught.
Well VAB we did post REDIRECT links in the moved lots but the infinite wize ST MODS started deleting my files. #?¿?¿?$
I have moved ALL my files, including the few dependency packages, to the LEX. I am in the process of creating a new prop-pack which includes some of my industrial props and will also upload it to the LEX.
I didnt realize that they were linked from other sites.... I apologize for the inconveniences... :-[
Quote from: Colyn on February 07, 2007, 12:37:10 AM
Well VAB we did post REDIRECT links in the moved lots but the infinite wize ST MODS started deleting my files. #?¿?¿?$
Sounds to me as though the ST mods are feeling a might bit...... jealous?..... threatened?
Anyways, I cant wait till all the stuff has been re-uploaded. It will be much easier for me to see what I could have had from the past that I missed in the abyss of STEX.
Quote from: jplumbley on February 07, 2007, 04:49:51 AM
Sounds to me as though the ST mods are feeling a might bit...... jealous?..... threatened?
The lots by gascooker, ripptide and cerulean that I managed to rescue before my stex mod powers were cut off today have also been removed from the STEX. I just think they are behaving like stupid kids.
Yes, I think their behaviour is childish and utterly unacceptable, not to mention not befitting to a mod. But oh well, such is life, and I am thankful that you could manage to rescue them beforehand.
In the end look at it this way - it's their loss, not yours (ours?) They are losing the amazing content.
Quote from: jplumbley on February 07, 2007, 04:49:51 AM
Anyways, I cant wait till all the stuff has been re-uploaded. It will be much easier for me to see what I could have had from the past that I missed in the abyss of STEX.
Indeed, I've already discovered some of Jeroni's gems that I never knew existed (the plop rocks and culverts are just what I was looking for)....no doubt I'll come across a whole load more in the next few days/weeks.
As for ST, it's completely their loss and a loss of their own making...but we shall not speak of dinosaurs when a whole new adventure is ahead.
Yeah, really, Lee- I agree.
In any event, let's stick to facts about what's going on at ST (which appear, on their own, to be bad enough) and hold opinions off public threads.
Here are my gascooker
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg54.imageshack.us%2Fimg54%2F6479%2Fgascookerfilesvx5.png&hash=d3974a97c448ac90758073d149eb60a7563b2766)
and cerulean files
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg358.imageshack.us%2Fimg358%2F9109%2Fceruleanfileswu3.png&hash=c16b21792f75f9c9659ae675cb4666a8953c92f1)
DL'd off the STEX
(shades of last year's Marrast situation, eh, Barby?)
If any of them are needed, let me know.
Note that the cerulean files with the "X" in front, despite repeated DL's, always came in corrupted. I don't know if there's any way to rescue them, but I kept them just in case.
David
Thanks for the offer David, but I have managed to download them all complete with images and descriptions as well. Those that have an X in front of them have also came in corrupted when I tried to download them. They were corrupted during an update on the STEX a few years ago. I don't know if there is a way to rescue them. Maybe someone has working files that were downloaded before the STEX update.
To be honest... I am not 100% sure since I am at work right now. I might have some of those corrupted cerulean files.
Chamblade Insurance Building, Salloya Shipping Tower, Nascrussa Plaza, Polamile Commerce Center all come to mind when looking at them. I can check later when I get home, but for all I know they could be corrupted too.
I noticed yesterday that all of gascookers lots were gone, but his prop packs are still on there. Looks like I might have another few days work ahead of me. Could you all PM me when you have uploaded the packs from a creator and I will update the links for that person. That way I don't have to keep checking every few hours. Also let me know if it's been removed from STEX or has been left there. I'll check the links if you've left it open and make sure that the Mods there haven't deleted it.
Vicki, I'll look after this if you want, that way we're not working against each other.
Thanks jp .... it will good to get them all together ...
The Cerulean files will take while to come up because we are thinking of making some minor changes to the technical setup ... ie replace those very big UI's he made so lovingly with something more simple that will eat a lot less of your PC resources ... it was only later that I found out the toll those big png's in the UI's took on the game performance.
I've been moving all my Lots that were left on STEX to LEX today, they're exclusivly available here now #stsfd·
In case someone needs some of Cerulean's files, these are the ones I downloaded ages ago (and before they got corrupted on the STEX):
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg108.imageshack.us%2Fimg108%2F5044%2Fceruleanre5.gif&hash=e91d8c56429fce4e5a41ff32737c315431fa0e02)
And I also think it's a good idea to clean them up a bit. They were among the first BSC modded files, and although they work nicely, those uber-fancy query windows are a bit heavy on the resource side indeed. ;)
Turns out I was wrong about which ones I had but I have 3 of the Cerulean files listed as corrupted. Polamile Commerce Center, Nascruss Plaza and Carpathage Condos.... Who and how should I send these files if you want them. They are original zips from long ago and I have not tested to see if the are corrupted but I can copy the files to my plugins folder without problems.
i remember i uploaded a few maps that were really good(back before terraformer came out) and i got shut down before anyone downloaded them. the reason, someone had already made them. which wasn't true. anyways, it's nice to see alot of stuff coming here. :)
Just a note to say that many of the dependency packages uploaded to the PLEX aren't working and hence need to be transferred ASAP. If it would help the BSC in prioritisation of uploads to here, I'd be happy to sort through the ones there and provide a list of which ones are borked so they can be uploaded here. (I don't fully agree with what has happened on either side, but I support your right to act as you have, and will not haul out abuse for doing so).
Of particular note is MattB's mega prop pack, which isn't available anywhere at present as it was only ever uploaded there and the download there is borked (which I noticed to my dismay, as I have a brown box on some of his more recent lots). ???
Whats wrong with the packs on PEGS? I have a few from there with no problems.
Im with diggis re PLEX dependency files. When I reinstalled my plugins folder I first started with the PLEX stuff. All works great.
I'm with Greenbelt whose with Diggis on this one. Which lots specifically are 'borked' (I assume that means screwed up) other than Matt's, Cammo? I've dl'd all of them from the Plex without any problems at all.
edit: just to test I re-d/l'd Matt's prop pack and didn't see anything wrong with either the final transfer *or* the contents of the zip. If you need more help troubleshooting or at least narrowing down your problem, I'd be happy to help.
To VAB and Diggis ... thanks for your help here ... this is how a comunity should work ... I am proud to be in your company.
As for priority LEX uploads ... the original plan was to UPGRADE our old files on the STEX and release the UPGRADES on the LEX complete with a Cleanitol file for Plugin Management and redirect link on the STEX for it ... unfortunately the sudden deletion of redirected files on ST has made it impossible to do the transfer in a Internet Good Practice manner and now we have to do some unscheduled uploads first.
My, my! The STEX mods have gone crazy! Will Marrast's stuff have a permanent home here?
can't you please just keep Marrast's work at STEX? :(
I mean , they were on earlier, and technically it is someone else's work even though that you got the permission to reupload, don't forget that.
Marrast was not a member of BSC and as far as I am aware, there are no plans to move his files....they were only uploaded by BSC after they were lost.
Marrast files that will come to the LEX will be properly modded and placed into collections and in Installers. What is is on the STEX will stay as it is ... that is the Marrast files.
Do you have permission to upload marrast's files onto the LEX. I don't believe you got specific permission from marrast himself to mange the uploading of his files (correct me if I'm wrong).
Where as re-uploading to the stex made sense because they were already there before, Uploading to the LEX, without marrast's specific permission, does not
If you read Colyn's post you will see that Marrast's stuff will be re-modded and repackaged...which means that the modder will have the right to upload them, and I guarantee that Marrast will be credited. You're not trying to start a fight, are you?
Thank you for your reply callagrafx, and no, i am not trying to start a fight, and i am sorry if it seemed that way
Yes, i did read Colyn posts. But however many times i re-read it, it still sounds to me like you are uploading marrast's work, without his permission. Unless, of course, you link marrast's SC4model files as a dependency. I'm sorry if I am missing something really obvious
I just want to take a minute here and say Thank You to ALL at BSC for the work you have created and shared as well as for the re-uploading and modification of some old defunct files. For whatever reason, some seem to get bent out of shape at the mention of BSC. I applaud your efforts, your creations and sharing them with the community. Without your work, my cities would not be what they are today. I'm also glad to see that the files are being uploaded to a reliable server site where I can actually download and access them if I want.
Just wanted you to know you do have some fans out here that are grateful for the contributions you have made to the game. Everything I've downloaded had been of the highest quality and calibre. Thank you again!
Quote from: mjig_dudy on February 08, 2007, 09:14:23 AM
Thank you for your reply callagrafx, and no, i am not trying to start a fight, and i am sorry if it seemed that way
Yes, i did read Colyn posts. But however many times i re-read it, it still sounds to me like you are uploading marrast's work, without his permission. Unless, of course, you link marrast's SC4model files as a dependency. I'm sorry if I am missing something really obvious
If my memory does not fail, Simtropolis did allow the complete loose of ALL marrast files. I dont remember that them (ST staff) made the minimun effort to recover these files ( and many many other that have been lost thanks to their unresponsabilty).
Again, if my memory does not fail , the BSC team freely shared his time and efforts to allow the files to be used again for the whole community.
Finally, marrast was not a BSC member, but I consider him my friend because we joined to make some small ( and not so small) projects some years ago. I tried to contact him without success about his files. My opinion is then, that it is a tribute to him having his files in our LEX. I dont mean they should be removed from anywhere. Only he could give the permission for that. But they can be hosted here, as long as he says he dont want them published here.
Enough discussion about this matter. Thanks.
Not exactly the answer i was looking for, but i will drop it. I am sure BSC will handle the modding of marrast's files with most care and attention, and its good that you are taking the effort to bringing these files into future.
In response to Doc's posts, although you made no mention of me or my post, it seems to me that parts werte directed at me.
I would also like to express my thanks for BSC, You have brought new life to the game (along with, or course, the rest of those who create custom content for the game) and would like to express my thanks for this. I find it a shame that BSC has decided to leave it birthplace but i can understand why. I will, of course, continue to download your excellent custom content from the LEX
and finally:
Thank you :thumbsup:
We do what we do .... only for the Game ... ;)
PS ... sometimes it could be silly to assume things ... I dont think people will direct things at someone without saying it .... at least I hope so because if not, then %BUd% could come over the grassland and ask about it. So maybe Doc really just said what he said because he meant it like that ... who knows. #?¿?¿?$
In anycase we all love the Game and that is how it should be ... Play the Game with Custom lots.
(really, why isn't the quote feature working?)
@Cammo, I tried downloading more BSC lots from the Plex and have not run into *any* borked lots (but someone had better explain borked to me in case I'm all wrong). All of the BSC and other lots are fine including, as I mentioned before, Mattb's latest prop pack. I dug a little bit further and couldn't find any recent posts from you about download problems, though I did notice in one post you use Firefox (although I think other people have downloaded using FF just fine). Anyway, if you need more help and have specific issues to troubleshoot, let me know - maybe in a PM or at Peg's site, so we don't clutter this topic with unnecessary information.
v.
I don't want to bring up the discussion again, but I asked Marrast once for his permission to translate and upload his files to SimsZone.de, and he encouraged me to do so. Therefore, I'd assume he'd say the same in case of SC4Devotion if he was still around.
Andreas ... I had exactly that same experience with him. Once an object goes onto any exchange in this community it is in the wild and I am of the opinion that as long as we protect the integrity and identity of the creator we are doing ok.
But is it ok if you stick the BSC logo? Like you did on the STEX.
Yes it is done so that everybody knows exactly who did that ;) ... plus it indicates that we have cleared the file for safe game play.
I love the fact that soon all BSC content will be on their site. It will definatley bring new life to their older lots and having all the dependencies updated will help alot also.
I appreciate all the work going on here very much.
Thank you all!!
Hi, all authors ...
May be I can help somebody with some lots from STEX4 - I have tons objects from 2004 year ....
Only the original creators or persons who have been granted permission by those creators can upload files to LEX. We cannot upload files to LEX that we do not have permission for unless the files have been modded and tested by a 3rd party (such as SFBT or BSC) which then becomes a new work, in which case the original creator still gets full credit but you get the benefit of an enhanced product. However, I don't think there should be any discussion of files being moved from STEX...that is an issue that has been covered extensively at ST and that's where it should stay.
I adressed ONLY the original creators - nobody more ....
May be some creators lost their own lots when STEX4 changed STEX5 ....
Thanks for you offer Silur. It is good to know you have a good SC4 2004 database....just in case.... ::) and thanks for making clear that your offer was directed to the original creators. I am sure that many creators may have lost some original creations, and it is good to know we have you to ask just in case the moment arrives.
Callagrafx made a very good point about the discussion in this thread. We should use this board when we can not find a lot that was formerly available at the STEX, and it is not in the LEX, but not to discuss why they have been moved.
Hi, jeronij ...
Thanks for your understanding ....
Colyn, Jeronij and any BSC member
I have lots from CSX that are from 2003. Also BSC, BLS, BLS GA from the very start to now that includes every members that ever upload a lot. If you can't fine a lot leave me a private message and I'll find it. This is for CSX, BSC, BLS memebers only!
Slowly but surely lots are being "moved" to the LEX. It would be a lot quicker if the Readmes didn't need updating. However, just a note that the Readme that is loose in the zip for Colyn's files and mine will be up to date but the installed Readme probably will not to speed up the process. Once the files are installed please put the loose Readme in place of the installed one then you will be up to date with dependencies. ;D
Quote from: dedgren on February 07, 2007, 09:33:26 AM
Yeah, really, Lee- I agree.
In any event, let's stick to facts about what's going on at ST (which appear, on their own, to be bad enough) and hold opinions off public threads.
Here are my gascooker
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg54.imageshack.us%2Fimg54%2F6479%2Fgascookerfilesvx5.png&hash=d3974a97c448ac90758073d149eb60a7563b2766)
and cerulean files
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg358.imageshack.us%2Fimg358%2F9109%2Fceruleanfileswu3.png&hash=c16b21792f75f9c9659ae675cb4666a8953c92f1)
DL'd off the STEX
(shades of last year's Marrast situation, eh, Barby?)
If any of them are needed, let me know.
Note that the cerulean files with the "X" in front, despite repeated DL's, always came in corrupted. I don't know if there's any way to rescue them, but I kept them just in case.
David
Sandra and David ,
The last ones of ceruleans files with the "X" in front I have and their not corrupted sorry for taking so long to answer but RL had me extra busy. David I just send the four to you check your e-mail Wild
Thank you for the generosity here ... I and the whole SC4D Admin team appreciate this ... soon we will surface the first phase of our dependency management system and thn things would get more organised for players.
It is a huge task to get the old stuff back online and in place.
I too like wild horse have basicly all of the BSC files and CSX files from the begining (or at least i think I have them all, or awfully darn close too)....and also offer any files that might have in my own collection here, that some how gone MIA and need replacing in some fashion, Barbyw can contact me anytime for the replcement of the files if nessasary...I'll send them right over in a jiffy :thumbsup:
Colyn,
The thank's goes to you BSC, BLS and everyone here at SC4.From the first day I down loaded your lots and play with them in the game I saw the quality in them. Since that day I have always downloaded any lot brought out by you, BSC, and BLS. People don't realize what you given them or done for the game as a whole and its a shame. This is the least I can do after all you and everyone else has done for the game. Alright I just checked my e-mail and the zips to dedgren were not delivered so it takes two email because all five zips are ove 10 Megs so if someone could please send me there e-mail I'll sent these to them.
My thanks to you as well! Your time and efforts are very much appreciated! :thumbsup:
I don't know if you still have plans to re release marrast stuff but I think he is back (under a diffrent account) There is a thred on st where posted.
Yes, we do know and have his full permission to update his work and post on the LEX. This will be done over a period of time.