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Title: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: vester on February 23, 2007, 05:54:37 AM
I have started a new project.

Its base on a small rural church. Well in fact the second smallest in Denmark: Kornerup Kirke.
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The church is building some where between 1100-1200.

The church is consecrated to San Andreas, that is where the name for the SC version comes from.
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Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: M4346 on February 23, 2007, 06:50:05 AM
This looks rather quaint! :) I like it! Well done thus far!  &apls
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: praiodan on February 23, 2007, 07:41:11 AM
Like it. Will be great for any rural community/ smaller town... can't wait to see further progress!
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: RippleJet on February 23, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
That is one cute little church. :thumbsup:
How many can squeeze in there?

The tower looks just a tiny little bit too small. You might want to increase its size just a fraction (probably both the width and the height).
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: bat on February 24, 2007, 04:41:52 AM
Great looking church! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: Citynut on February 24, 2007, 02:41:15 PM
Looking really good nice comparison of the real thing. look forward to the finished project
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: mickebear on February 25, 2007, 12:57:27 AM
I like the model that you have chosen, not too complicated, yet with full of history.
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: snorrelli on February 25, 2007, 01:35:57 AM
Nice rural church to model. Will be a challenge to texture and weather this one, since the white walls and red steeple are so bright in reality...
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: sebes on February 25, 2007, 03:49:36 AM
That is a cute church, that will fit very will in rural villages... I suppose there is a little cemetary around it as well?
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: jacqulina on February 25, 2007, 04:38:14 AM
wow thats a great little church my friend
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: metasmurf on February 25, 2007, 10:27:49 AM
Oh, i adore this one. :)
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: vester on February 28, 2007, 04:22:17 AM
Thanks for all your comments. Please keep them coming.
Here is a quick update. Still not textures on it, just change the colors of the different parts.
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Still need to add windows and doors, and a few other minor things.
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: Couchpotato on February 28, 2007, 06:58:04 AM
This will be great in our small cities and rural areas.  Much needed.   &apls
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: joelevan on February 28, 2007, 07:35:47 AM
On a historical/architectural note...I don't know much about the spread of Christianity in this part of the world, but it is interesting to see that the church is not built in the shape of a cross like you see through much of the middle and southern Europe. Does anyone have a cultural reason why that is?

This is a great model! I am going to love having it!

Joel
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: bat on February 28, 2007, 08:44:38 AM
Great changing of the colours! Great progress! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: Cali on February 28, 2007, 04:18:15 PM
beautiful colors, we need more small churches, they are alot more impressive than massive ones ,great work &apls
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: vester on March 01, 2007, 07:35:34 AM
Yet another quick update:
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Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: Cali on March 01, 2007, 12:09:48 PM
nice update.  &apls
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: oldrogue on March 01, 2007, 03:22:05 PM
Very nice, I know that I will certainly be using that one as soon as it comes out.... &apls..

Joel, that is a great question, hope somebody has the answer %confuso
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: vester on March 01, 2007, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: joelevan on February 28, 2007, 07:35:47 AM
On a historical/architectural note...I don't know much about the spread of Christianity in this part of the world, but it is interesting to see that the church is not built in the shape of a cross like you see through much of the middle and southern Europe. Does anyone have a cultural reason why that is?

This is a great model! I am going to love having it!

Joel

Well if you look at the churches in Denmark, they all have (the old ones at least) the tower (if any) toward the west and the choir toward the east. Then most have a porch (translated from Danish: weapon house) toward the south. Have no idea why this is.
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: M4346 on March 01, 2007, 04:26:44 PM
Looking good Vester!  :thumbsup:

Joel, I'm certainly not an expert on the subject, but I might want to provide my 2c on it anyway.

If the church was built in the 1100 - 1200, it is obvious that it has to be either Roman Catholic / Eastern Orthodox. Taking into account that it is in Denmark, I'm going to settle for the former. (Protestantism only "arriving" 300 years later). So, unless Vester's original "1100 - 1200 AD" information is incorrect, I am going to assume that it is Catholic.

It doesn't really look like an "ordinary" Catholic Church, the Catholics of course especially persistent about the form of the cross in their places of worship, evident in the construction / style of the larger Cathedrals that dot Europe. But I think mentioning that, a part of the explanation is apparent - it is not a Cathedral, but rather a Church / Parish. Cathedrals are usually more elaborately planned - with a detailed design in mind - whereas Churches are built to serve a specific need / community.

I think another explanation for its, what would appear as, avant garde appearance is its setting: it is in a rural area. I have seen many Catholic churches here in Africa, and none of their floorplans resembled that of a cross. They are usually just rectangular, small and not elaborately decorated because of their isolation, but also because of the resources / raw materials available (which may also have contributed to the above's appearance - as it looks like wood was used too).

I admit that I don't know the church, and can't judge it suitably from the photo (either in floorplan, interior or building material). But it appears to me, and correct me if I am wrong, that the "wings" could possibly be later additions, departing from the rectangular form of Catholic churches.

So, in conclusion, I think its 'odd' shape and floorplan can be attributed to its location, isolation, setting, function and even size and the availability of building materials.

Well, that's my view anyway. :)

PS. The only websites I could find on the church were in Danish...  ???

Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: joelevan on March 01, 2007, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: M4346 on March 01, 2007, 04:26:44 PM

PS. The only websites I could find on the church were in Danish...  ???

That is funny! I looked online too and found that as well! I couldn't read a darn thing!  :D

Joel
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: M4346 on March 01, 2007, 05:22:50 PM
I could make out the occasional word that corresponded with German / Afrikaans in some way though, but in general, it was all Greek (  &Thk/( ) to me! :P
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: oldrogue on March 01, 2007, 06:14:00 PM
M...Thank you for your thoughts on the matter, I would tend to agree with you in your conclusions.....Kudo's for your research &apls
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: Cali on March 01, 2007, 06:17:05 PM
i just gave up after the first sentance. :D
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: RippleJet on March 02, 2007, 08:51:04 AM
I'll try to make a brief translation of an extract of the history of the church:

Quote from: DANMARKS KIRKER bind 2, 1946Kirken, der var viet til S. Andreas, var tidligere Anneks til Svogerslev, men blev sidenhen selv hovedkirke. Bygningen, der er en af landets mindste, er formodentlig, som den stedlige tradition også vil vide, opført som Herregårdskapel til Kornerupgård, der med hele sognet i det sidste århundrede før reformationen ejedes af Roskilde Vor Frue Kloster og muligvis har hørt under dette fra langt ældre tid, idet et pavebrev af 1257 nævner Kornerup blandt Klo-strets Sædegårde.

The church, which was concecrated to St. Andreas, was formerly a chapel of ease to Svogerslev (church), but later became an independent church. The church, one of the smallest in the country, was probably, according to tradition, built as a mansion chapel to Kornerupgård, which including the neighbourhood during the last century before the Reformation was owned by the Cloister of Our Lady in Roskilde, and possible has been in this possession since ages back, since a bull dated 1257 mentions Kornerup among the manor farms of the cloister.

Quote from: DANMARKS KIRKER bind 2, 1946Efter en tradition fra 1700-tallet skal kirken oprindelig have været et kapel, som en ejer af Kornerupgård havde ladet indrette til sin egen bekvemmelighed. Sidst i 1800-tallet fortalte en gammel mand, at han havde læst i en beskrivelse af Kornerup, at der i gammel tid ikke fantes nogen præstegård i sognet, og at der kun blev prædiket i kirken ved højtiderne.

According to tradition from the 18th century the church was originally a chapel, which the owner of Kornerupgård had constructed for his own convenience. By the late 19th century an old man told, that he had read a description of Kornerup, that in the old days there was no rectory in the parish, and thus sermons were only held at feasts.
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: Cali on March 02, 2007, 08:54:05 AM
thanks Ripple, thats very interesting history.
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: vester on March 02, 2007, 09:01:27 AM
Thanks for the translation, RippleJet.

Svogerslev and Kornerup (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Svogerslev+&sll=53.098145,-2.443696&sspn=11.229101,27.399902&layer=&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=15&ll=55.636814,12.003851&spn=0.02059,0.067592&t=k) is situated, west of Roskilde. Svogerslev been the villages on the right hand and Kornerup being the on the left, just between the two lakes.
The two villages share parish. You would expect that the rectory was place in that biggest of the two villages, Svogerslev, but no. Its placed just next to Kornerup Church.
I have gone to confirmation classes there, when I lived in Svogerslev. I have only been inside the church once, but have gone by it, thousands of times.

Still working on adding details to the church.  ()stsfd()
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: joelevan on March 02, 2007, 07:49:37 PM
Wonderful! Thank you for translating. That is fascinating and answers my questions.

Joel
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: vester on March 03, 2007, 06:48:28 AM
Here is a update of the progress:
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Now of to work on some kind of night light.
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: Cali on March 03, 2007, 11:15:12 AM
they are coming along nicely. i really like the spire on top, and really good coloring too
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: jacqulina on March 04, 2007, 04:42:04 AM
hi my friend you have excellent progress very nice details
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: M4346 on August 22, 2007, 02:33:49 PM
Mind if I ask how this is going? :)
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: vester on December 24, 2007, 06:06:27 AM
Andreas was helpful a made a lot for this church.
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So here is small Christmas gift to all of you.
It's only the 24th you say. Well I am for Denmark and here we get the Christmas gifts on evening of the 24th.
Title: Re: VDK San Andreas Church
Post by: oldrogue on December 24, 2007, 01:00:16 PM
Oh yeah, that is absolutly beautifull.......wonderfull...thank you so very much a Very Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Duane