....coming tonight a little after midnight..... $%#Ninj2
Your time or mine ;D If it is your time I'll see it in the morning. Can't wait to see what horrors you have inflicted on us this time.
Quote from: BarbyW on May 01, 2009, 01:49:30 PM
Your time or mine ;D If it is your time I'll see it in the morning. Can't wait to see what horrors you have inflicted on us this time.
Hope its our time, been supping way too much tea while waiting ::) :D :D
Sorry for being late one hour.
Well folks, it was New York time, too early for you I guess.
Fred
Challenge 4 , the confrontation
Let's talk about serious buissness now!
.......Sitting on his chair at his desk and having folded his hands over his forehead, Governor Freddy Bison is wondering what happened in Grand River and why. To him, all the mayors did a good job within their territories and have given their best to please the Governor, but then........an idea struck his mind.....*Maybe they did too much to please me only and not enough to please themselves or for the sims living in the region, * he thought.
It was time to have another meeting and get things cleared up before something else happens. The secretary was informed and told to send a quick note to meet to all the mayors, including the rebels.........continued in Challenge 5.
This time the challenge will be "a little" different. You will decide of someone's fate and yours will be decided by someone else. The rebels have separated the Grand Valley into two halves, one that you still control and the other one which is controlled by the rebels. Let's see who can make it better. The re-union of the the two regionhalves will depend partially on the Mayors and the Governor, if ever that will happen. Let's see if you are a good negociator and can easily handle a delicate situation with positive action. All depends on how you will order around your adversary and play his/her separatist and how you handle the separatist that will be ordering you around. We hope that you have large shoulders, an open mind and some logic.
In this challenge you will decide which tile of an adversary should be populated/build on and/or modified and how. You will have a good look of what the adversary has sofar played in his lost part of the region (to see in his/her threads) and then you decide which part of the separatist's tile in his/her region should be worked on and how. Your orders will be given to him/her and he/she will fulfill your deamnds. The same will be done to you by someone else.
Now, here is how this will function.
Below is the player's list, totally randomly placed by my youngest son, who has no knowledge of who is who. You, playing as a Separatist have been chosen the Player's name below your name to be your adversay, meaning that you will be entirely responsable for the separatist's side of his/her region. He/she will exactly do what you will order him/her to do.
Now, the Player's name above your name will do the same with you and your side that you have lost to the separatists.....and so on. The last name of the list will simply go back to the top of the list to finish the circle.
Here is the general order from your rebellion Commander:
Within 5 days (120 hrs starting at this hour on, where I post this challenge) (only and no telling me for more time or a longer timespan, it will be NO) You will go through your adversary's pictures and stories and chose one Tile on the separatist's side that you want to have changed or newly populated. Tell them clearly what you want. You can ask them to build anything ,except for the things described in the Rules, meaning no armybase, harbour, airport, highwy etc etc. Stick to those rules. You can create a picture, a simple plan or take one of their picture and mark on it what to modify/add or demolish, or of what you have in mind like building or changing the roads, rails, even bridges or tunnels, zoning green blue and or yellow, even farms, plop a mayor house, firestation, trainstation, police or anything that is *legal* and according to the rules and then post it in his/her Challenge 4 thread. You decide one tile for now and he/she will fulfill this order to his/her best in doing exactly what the rebel wants to. Think as a rebel when giving the orders and building it by the orders from your adversary. You will have 3 to 5 pictures to show us the results of the demands.
You will order someone to build things exaclty in the way you want it to be in that specific tile you chose on the adversary's separatist side and you will get the same orders from another Player.
Please don't exagerate when playing the Separatist and be fairly neutral and decent and consider the timespan we have to follow these orders afterwards. Make it interesting and simple as you would like it to receive, but as a Separatist make them understand that you're there to stay. For the contrary, the orders you will receive from your Separatist should be done as close as possible to his/her demand. You will be able to negociate in your threads about his/her demands, but he/she is not obliged to negociate with you though. You as the Mayor of the whole region have to remember that you want your region to be re-united and therefor will handle the situation with style, respect and understanding to the separatists.
We all hope that this will be done peacefully and no war between the two nations will spark up.
The deadline for fulfilling these orders will be 12 days, which should be more than enough. This time we will not wait for half of the players to ask for an extension at the last minute. You know what to do today, so do it now or soon enough and not one hour before or after the deadline again. These twelve days will start right after the 120 hours when the rebel has sent his /her orders.
Your orders to your adversary will be posted inside every adversary's Challenge 4 thread, so, create one right away for your separatist to post his/her orders and plans in. The longer you wait to create a Challenge 4 thread, the longer it might take for you to receive his/her orders. It will be your fault only if you don't have a challenge 4 thread quick enough.
If by any chance you as a separatist did not post your orders to the adversary within this 120 hrs limit (again, please don't be stupid and wait until the last minute), you will loose your privilege to impose your challenges to your adversary and I personnally will take over as the Separatist (...leaving a post mentioning that I took over), and I will post within 24 hrs him/her my version of orders. Too bad for you. You get one chance only, so do it right and do it now. We have calculated a decent timedelay for everyone and we cannot afford any additional timedelay in this challenge for anyone. Respect it please and don't let him/her down.
««The reason for the timedelay is simple: I will be gone to inspect the foundations of an important job in Germany near Aachen (Aix-la-chapelle) one day after the deadline of these 120 hrs and I will have no time to take care of you afterwards for a few days. Then three days later I have to check the quality of the logs for a homejob near Warshaw/ Poland, which again will delay everything and then only to come back to Northamerica to go to Alaska for another big Loghome job to start off right. I will keep an eye on you guys and gals the same and post when I can while I'm on the go (I am curious too to see, but I will not be able to control the situations. So make sure that you take the time this time to do Your job before the respectful deadlines. Lynn will be there also to help me out. Thanks. I will post my demands to my adversary before midnight saturday/NY time.»»
Then you will choose a *Park* with/without any kind of a monument to remember the separatists/rebels and place it anywhere you want on your mayoring side of the region, and show us a picture.
Judgements and points will be given on what you order your oponent to do, where (in what Tile) and how you will fulfill your adversary's orders in your separatist's region half.
Be as logical as you can whether in giving or fulfilling the demands. Also other points will be given on how you handle the situation and negociations, then for what you have been doing in your region lately (2 Pictures needed) and what you used for the monument and location of it. There are also a possibility of max 3 Bonus points (each player) in this challenge. In all, you have the possibility to gain a max of 23 points, which is quite a lot, if you're behind on the pointagesheet.
If you have time you may continue to play and let your half grow. Nothing else than the demands in the separatist's half can be altered though. Remember that it does NOT belong to you anymore. After you have finished this challenge, start thinking about what you could do in the next challenge where you have the right to alter certain things on two more tiles in your oponent's regionhalf.
To show this time in your 4th update:
1. A copy of the orders that you have posted in your oponent's Challenge 4 thread, in your own Challenge 4 post.
2. 3 to 5 pictures in any view of the realisation of the demands/orders that you received from your adversary in your separatistS tile.
3. 2 pictures of what you have been doing/changing or adding lately in your part of the region.
4. 1 picture in view 4 of the monument that you plopped in memory of those who were separated and specifying in what tile. Maybe add a respectful word/speech or two as the Mayor to inaugerate the monument could earn you a bonus point or two.
The deadline (without any delay permitted this time only) for giving the orders to your adversary will be on May 5th/tuesday at midnight.
The dealine for the whole challenge 4 will be on Sunday, may 17th at midnight.
Kinda complicated but we hope you'll easily understand, if not, questions will be answered below. Again, any psychological help can be found in the GRV II General Discussion Board.
Enjoy yourselves giving orders and hopefully also to receive orders. Choose wisely what you do either as the Separatist or as the Mayor. The future of GRV is depending on your decisions, so is your and your rebel's region.
For the non-official players, they will exchange their demands with each other. Good luck to everyone and have fun.
This is Simcity seen and played in another way.........
Lynn and Fred
Remember you will be ordered to change the separatist's regionpart by the one Player above your name, and you will give orders to the Player below your name. The last one of the list goes back to the top to continue the circle. Good Luck.
io_bg
wouanagaine
XiahouDun
splime
BarbyW
dedgren
mrtnrln
mattb325
mrbisonm
jmouse
The_Hutt
Newsimaddict
Cameron 1991
JJ (as an unofficial Player)
mightygoose
Soulchaser
Threestooges
jmyers2043
TheTeaCat
Rayden
Pat
Cabrabuitre
metarvo
antn
tooheys
Turtle
RustyXL
and for the non-officials: Please encourage them!
frostwolf
zz
EDIT: maybe still to come:Kitsune, Sheep49 and Quackmofro. jjune 4991 has left us officially.
Finally a note for you, the lurkers, hang arounds and visitors. Help, ideas and encouragements to our Players (official or not) will be surely appreciated, so let's hear from you all!
One last thing and very IMPORTANT to do NOW:
Create a challenge 4 thread!
Fred
woooohoooo :D &apls :thumbsup:
I like it.
But as Quackmofro hasn't posted Challenge 3, does that mean I can use my evil plans on Turtle %BUd%
Quote from: tooheys on May 01, 2009, 11:08:18 PM
But as Quackmofro hasn't posted Challenge 3, does that mean I can use my evil plans on Turtle %BUd%
I have the same question only different - Sheep49 did not post a Challenge 3 entry either. And I really want to order somebody around, especially considering the adversary I drew! :D (Gotta love it!)
Let's see if I understood this correctly, I will receive orders from the name above mine, and give orders to name bellow mine?
>:D Beware Pat, you're under my command >:D
And TTC, just remember who did give you nice hints and found why your farm only grew every hundred years and just on flat terrain. And I have the new one as well under my schedule... ::)
Quote from: Rayden on May 02, 2009, 05:00:34 AM
Let's see if I understood this correctly, I will receive orders from the name above mine, and give orders to name bellow mine?
>:D Beware Pat, you're under my command >:D
And TTC, just remember who did give you nice hints and found why your farm only grew every hundred years and just on flat terrain. And I have the new one as well under my schedule... ::)
The Diplomacy starts already ::) :D :D
Better put the kettle on, looks like we're going to need some of this
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi513.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft331%2FTearider%2F0522501600.jpg&hash=ae9cdfbfe128a680f1927e5a1146922825bee175)
Blimey , I'm getting commands from David 'the Almighty' Edgren, LOL! I'll try my best, Dave!
And mattb325, he's also no stranger to me. His seperatists part is now under my command %plc/&
Now the fun begins... I wish all other players success with Challenge 4!
Best,
Maarten
Well, I guess Pat won't be receiving my orders, as he didn't completed challenge 3, or, will he only loose his points and keep playing? I guess I'll have to wait and see what happens, otherwise Cabra in on the line for duty $%Grinno$%
I am working on my dastardly plans for David's South. ;D
Ok, since some of the players have not yet finished the Challenge 3, we will wait a little bit. Pat has promissed me to be ready before noon today, I haven't heard from Sheep49 and Quckmofro.
If, by this afternoon , they have not replied , I will simply take them of the list and it will be the following name that will replace them. Simple as this.
We cannot play this game otherwise and wait for those who leap behind all the time.
So don't worry, you will all get your rebellion-partner and someone to push you around.
Yes Rayden, you understood right!
Good day folks
Fred
I would like to add something:
Since some of the regionmaps do not show the developpments of zones etc, I recommend that you will ask for them to post a new and clear one, so you, as the Rebelplayer, can make yourself a better picture of Your newly acqainted regionhalf.
Thank you
Fred
One question. David requested this:
Quote from: dedgrenYou shall accordingly begin pre-planning for transportation and utility corridors across Quads A, B and C, and across the Whitehall portion of Quads D, E and F, as the WSF may be directing you to construct such at any moment.
Does that mean that I can build a railway line or something through more than one tile in the Seperatists part?
Fred/Lynn- Maarten has asked the exact question I had in mind. Since I've asked him to develop a quad (K, in this case) that has no neighbor connections, placing industry there will be an issue, as I am not allowing him to build worker housing on the quad and there is no way for industry to have capacity demand through export to adjacent quads or Simnation. It seems that you have to allow the separatists to direct construction of road and rail infrastructure to connect up with the currently developed areas. Could you please provide guidance on this.
Thanks.
David
Quote from: mrtnrln on May 02, 2009, 09:00:15 AM
One question. David requested this:
Does that mean that I can build a railway line or something through more than one tile in the Seperatists part?
You see, "General David" of the Rebellions has the right to order you in the separatist's regionhalf what he wishes as long as he stays within the General Rules in Rule section of this board.
Now , building across several tiles though is not allowed in this challenge, that will come later. He may NOT ask you to build outside the limits of one tile at the moment, so might restrict him to one tile and simply connect the rails to the neighborhood.
I don't think that he meant building the rails, but he said to* begin pre-planning *.
The more times go by, the more powerful the Rebellions will become and therefore more possibilities to do in their new world, but for the moment being, they are limited to one (1) tile only. Go back and negociate in your challenge 4 thread. The Governor is watching! ;)
dedgren, the same goes for your case. The rebel may ask you to build roads and rails in one tile and wherever he wants to. The hick is , if the Separatist exagerates some things or orders you with faulty or non-logical demands with no logical sense etc...than we (the judges) will simply give him less points.
To everyone that has separatist's blood in his arteries: It is important to know, as I mentioned above in the challenge post, that the Separatist must be a little respectful, understanding , negociable and also logical as he/she will order you around. He/she should build the region not to harm the rightful owner (he doesn't own it anymore anyways), but treat it as his/her own region, because he/she will be judged in the Separatist's region half that he/she is governing.
The idea is that we will not only judge a player with his/her own regionhalf, but also with his/her separatist's regionhalf in his/her oponent's region. So....as a Separatist Player, make sure you do a good job to please your folks to earn good points. We will be severe with the judging. Oh....btw....give the orders and have it build as it were your own. ;)
Good Luck
Fred and Lynn
Mr B
Does this also apply to power lines/ water pipes? We have one tile and only one tile to work in?
zz
Everything or anything (except those things in the rules) can be build in ONE (1) tile only on the separatist's side. That includes water, powerlines, roads, rails etc. You will be able to do more in the next challenge.
On the other hand, in your Mayoring regionhalf you can build anything (except those prohibited by the rule) in any tile, always respecting the river borderline.
Fred
Thanks Mr. B
zz
No problem zz
I have posted my demand as a Separatist to Jmouse's challenge 4 thread. Maybe it can be served as a sample for you all. Have fun.
Fred
http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=7732.0
So, am I JJ's seperatists or zz's seperatists? I kind of figured the unofficials were playing each other. Do I have that right?
Quote from: frostwolf on May 02, 2009, 10:24:47 PM
So, am I JJ's seperatists or zz's seperatists? I kind of figured the unofficials were playing each other. Do I have that right?
You are zz's separatist, before he was there before JJ. We will find someone for JJ later on.
I had a look at some posts and demands/orders already given this morning and, hey.....I think a lot of you are having fun, right?...lol. Anyway, I know that Lynn is having fun reading them.
Fred
Hey Fred so that means Cabrabuitre would be my victim?? So I would have to give him marching orders before Tuesday???
Quote from: Pat on May 03, 2009, 08:33:38 AM
Hey Fred so that means Cabrabuitre would be my victim?? So I would have to give him marching orders before Tuesday???
Theoretically yes, but wait until tonight (sunday, NYtime) at about 10pm. If
Cabrabuitre and three others
(jjune4991, kitsune, Sheep49) have not posted anything, then the list might change and you'll get metarvo (the next one on the list) to push around. ;)
Fred
*snickers* hehehe OKie DOkies there Fred and I will wait before I pounce any further...
JJune hasn't post anything for challenge 3
Should I proceed with Kitsune ?
Edit, in fact Kitsune hasn't post for challenge 3 either, should I proceed with Xiahoudun ( which hasn't start a thread for challenge 4 :( )
Just to set the record straight, Cabrabuitre has posted his third challenge. It's jjune4991, Kitsune, Sheep49 and quackmofro who have not done so. Tentatively I'm getting ready to bypass Sheep49 and pounce upon The_Hutt who has not yet opened a Challenge 4 thread.
Later...
Joan
jjune4991 has left us officially, sorry to say this.
IMPORTANT!
Sheep49, Kitsune and Quackmofro are from now on the waiting list. So everyone who had one of them to receive or give orders to will have to go back to the list of page one to find out their new adversary.
Thank you.
Fred
let me know when you've got someone worked out for me :)
Quote from: JJ on May 03, 2009, 11:13:45 PM
let me know when you've got someone worked out for me :)
Don't worry JJ, we'll find one for you, there will be someone late to post his/her demand for sure (there's a timelimit without prolongation) and we will give you a couple more days to handle the update.
Fred
Is it just me, or is this getting smaller? &mmm I still haven't heard from Cabrabuitre, by the way. What should I do if no orders have been posted by the deadline?
In any case, I'm ready for this challenge, and I'm still enjoying every minute. :)
I'm waiting for mightygoose, too.
As you read in the describtion, mrb will take the seperatists' voice, if your opponent doesn't post his orders.
If there is one thing everyone doesn't like, it must be waiting for someone else, right?....lol. &sly
Well, I am glad you enjoy yourself though with the GRV II, that is most important.
Yes , our group is getting smaller, too bad, but several have to many things to do in real life, although I warned everyone in the beginning that we all need at least some time but hey.....it sounded too good to say no to it. ??? Maybe some were loosing interest too, who knows. As long as they are half a dozen or so that stay, it will be quite some fun.
We knew from the beginning that about a third will leave before we meet the middle of this challenge, which will be with challenge 5, and another 10 percent or so after.
If Cabrabuitre and mightygoose and a few others haven't appeared by tommorow midnight NY-time, I will simply change my plans, incorporate JJ and jump over others. They will have to be reincoporated later somehow, too bad for them. I know this is somewhat frustrating some of us, but that's the way it goes.
I will be leaving for Germany for a couple of days on wednesday and everything has to be in order before I leave and believe me, I will make it sure that it will be so.
You will still have enough time to finish the demands, and if somehow time gets too narrow, you will get a special delay.
Thanks for being patient and understanding.
Fred
mightygoose posted his orders, so there's everything fine with me.
Still having fun ::) and Fred: Guten Flug, und grüße die Stadt Karls des Großen!
heard nothing from cameron 1991....
Quote from: mightygoose on May 05, 2009, 04:42:56 AM
heard nothing from cameron 1991....
There is a change of players, it gave me a chance to fit in JJ in the contest. Thanks.
mightygoose , you will receive orders from
JJ (unofficial Player) from now on and still give yours to soulchaser.
JJ will give orders to
mightygoose and receive orders from
cameron 1991.
cameron 1991 will give orders to
JJ, but still receive them from Newsimaddict.
Hope that will work out fine now. All three will have been granted another day of delay if needed.
Thank you and good luck
Fred
I'm still waiting for The_Hutt for my orders..
Quote from: newsimaddict on May 05, 2009, 04:42:29 PM
I'm still waiting for The_Hutt for my orders..
I have sent him a pm.
Fred
Quote from: mrbisonm on May 05, 2009, 05:36:39 PM
I have sent him a pm.
Fred
I've been browsing through his pictures for the last day and half thinking of ideas. I'll post orders for sure later tonight.
- Nick
What I'm wondering is, should our official Challenge 4 post be in the thread where the orders were given out, or a new thread?
Choice, thanks Nick!
(anyways, im usually one of the late ones so no pressure ;))
Thank you, The_Hutt.
Fred
Sorry I missed the deadline... we're dealing with a death in the family and I had a work situation that needed to be figured out. I'm posting my orders right now.
Quote from: Splime on May 05, 2009, 06:51:18 PM
What I'm wondering is, should our official Challenge 4 post be in the thread where the orders were given out, or a new thread?
The whole
Challenge 4, including the orders to your separatists should be in the same folder, ehhh.....thrad that is. If you do your realixzation of the separatist's demand, please show it in ONE (1) post only, so we don't get the work to find the pieces all over your thread. We only judge your post of giving your orders, plus the post of what you've done to fill the demands of the adversary, any other post will not be considered.
Fred
Quote from: wouanagaine on May 03, 2009, 11:38:14 AM
Edit, in fact Kitsune hasn't post for challenge 3 either, should I proceed with Xiahoudun ( which hasn't start a thread for challenge 4 :( )
Still awaiting my orders %BUd%
I will send private message to wouanagaine now, and leave a message to Fred.
Lynn
wouanagaine is on holiday this week. He will be back at the weekend.
Thank you for the information Barby :thumbsup:
Yes, thank you Barby. Fred left a private note to wouanagaine. Fred also asked me to upload the challenge 3 jugements this weekend. He is finished with about half of the jugements. My work for challenge 3 is all finished. I will have to see how to do the uploading and I will try maybe tonight.
Lynn
Good news there. I'm sure you will do well with uploading, but if you have any problems, just ask, people around here are really helpful with things like that.
-Matt
Thank You threestooges. I think I will wait for Fred to upload the pictures, but I will post the points for everyone in their challenge 3 thread tomorrow morning. They all have been finished now. All missing is the picture with the points, but Fred will do that when he comes back monday.
I hope you have every thing under control every body. No war please. $%Grinno$%
à bientot........
Lynn
Quote4. 1 picture in view 4 of the monument that you plopped in memory of those who were separated and specifying in what tile. Maybe add a respectful word/speech or two as the Mayor to inaugerate the monument could earn you a bonus point or two.
I hope that I don't sound like a Newbee ... but ... view 4. I take it that is the next to the closest view? Which is the closest non-fuzzy view?
I think it's the one just after that Jim. Hit the 4 key on your keyboard and it should take you to that zoom level.
I don't play simcity but I go see at Fred's terrains a lot. I know that the levels of view are controlled with the numbers on keyboard, from 1 to 5. This mean that 4 is the one before 5 which is the closest. (can we say that word? *la plus proche*)
hihi, that was logicol sense, non?
Salutations, Lynn
Thanks for the help. You've saved me from receiving a penalty point. :thumbsup:
I was wondering if I could get an extention on my Challenge 4 since I don't have my orders yet and work late from tomorrow until Saturday :-[
Quote from: XiahouDun on May 12, 2009, 01:03:13 PM
I was wondering if I could get an extention on my Challenge 4 since I don't have my orders yet and work late from tomorrow until Saturday :-[
How come you haven't received your orders yet, although the time limit was last week?
I will pm wouanagaine right away. Of course you will get a reasonable extension.
Fred
Edit: Btw, please judge my challenge 3, I am waiting for everyone to do so that I can finish the pointage sheet. Thanks.
Quote from: mrbisonm on May 12, 2009, 05:55:34 PM
How come you haven't received your orders yet, although the time limit was last week?
I will pm wouanagaine right away. Of course you will get a reasonable extension.
Fred
Edit: Btw, please judge my challenge 3, I am waiting for everyone to do so that I can finish the pointage sheet. Thanks.
Recieved my orders just a little after posting it. Wouanagaine was on vacation without net.
Oh chute, I forgot....I knew....sorry wouanagaine.
Hope you can make it before deadline XiahouDun. I haven't even started making mine yet neither....oh boy.
Challenge 4 is now officially closed.
Mayors,
We are glad that you yet have survived another Challenge and you are about to enter the end of the first part of the GRV Challenges. There will be a total of 10 challenges, and once challenge 5 id done, you've made it through half of it.
Again this time, many have waited until the very last minute to post their challenge updates. Lucky for you that we are tolerant. To encourage that you post your updates before the deadlines, we will give 1 bonus point to everyone who updates intime, but be careful because it will be NY time and not even 1 minute later. Remember this!
Here's how we have or are about to judge your Challenge 4. Use this also to judge my version of the challenge 4, but wait a few days when we have shown you in the Player's thread how we judged yours. Again, this is open to everyone, player, visitor or lurker. Thank you.
Points are given on a scale of 0 to 5 (insatisfactory to excellent), and points are given on 5 mainsubjects:
1. The originality of the orders that you as a Separatist gave to your mayor. Not the way the orders were shown or presented, but the way how you handled their region to have it develop properly as a profit to you as the separatist.
2. How the negociations between the two of you were handled in your thread as the Mayor. Points are given for none or little negociations like 1 to 2 points and more (up to 5) for intense negociations (comments etc).
3. The way you have fulfilled the demands of the separatist, if they are closest to their demands etc.
4. The originality of your monument or park that you offered to the sims to remember their separation.
5. What you have been doing in your part of the region, doesn't mean to have a lot, as long as what you did is included in a real life situation of normal growth.
Glad you have almost all participated again and wishing you all lots of luck with Challenge 5.
Lynn and mrbisonm