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Title: Then and Now
Post by: jigsaw on January 17, 2010, 08:03:43 AM
do any of you have old in game pics from when you first started playing SC4? i would love to see old cities we onced built and compare them to how we build them now. i want to see if other players feel they have 'evolved' their building techniques.

anyone?
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: TheTeaCat on January 17, 2010, 09:14:52 AM
Well to be honest I have no pics from when I first started to play the game, but yes I'd say my style of play has changed over the years.  :D :D

If you take a look at the first pics I posted in Tales at Teatime (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=1346.msg38150#msg38150) and the latest update (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=1346.msg303118#msg303118) and I'm sure you can see a difference  :D :D

:satisfied:
TTC

Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: mightygoose on January 17, 2010, 09:30:35 AM
yeah easy peasy....

In 2006

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg113.imageshack.us%2Fimg113%2F6748%2Fslumscity1rc2.jpg&hash=eba1c97eb07aa4282ab8f7354716ad12a65abfd0)

In 2009

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi193.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz124%2Fmightygoose_2007%2Flovell1.jpg&hash=04c7a9f8350e54d4fa84d059e5065afc66a34902)
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: dsrwhat316 on January 17, 2010, 10:40:45 AM
When I look back at some of my old pics, I'm surprised I actually thought I was good  :P

One of the first pics from my first CJ/MD I took in 2005, posted in 2007:

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg528.imageshack.us%2Fimg528%2F9606%2Fcityofbevellehotelriverwu4.jpg&hash=668bc01237349310990ba9831c08777e65c22286)


Now one of the latest shots from my second MD (Click on the pic for a full-size shot):

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.pict.com%2F5f%2F41%2F7d%2F2029766%2F0%2F800%2Ffullmosaic48.jpg&hash=3cdca038ab6d63d01d03954747541292fae30526) (http://img2.pict.com/5f/41/7d/2029766/0/fullmosaic48.jpg)

~ Dan
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: Fabian93 on January 17, 2010, 11:05:21 AM
Well... I started to play this game in late 2008, so I'm not able to show you such old stuff like Dan did.
But I've taken some pictures from my old journals... :)

This is the oldest picture I've found (it was obviously used to ask a question about the dependencies): No realism... A industrial firm alongside some french W2W "blocks"? :thumbsdown:
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg368.imageshack.us%2Fimg368%2F9837%2Fwhatismissingip2.gif&hash=12348c9454531dc5d8820967f1c66b8ec37477c1)

Since I was not able to build good-looking cities by simply growing everything, I decided to start learning how to use the Lot Editor
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs11b.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F081223%2Fqwkkj6yd.jpg&hash=4edd58054d3893bcacb3aeeb530c715a8f66997c)

Since that city was "broken" somehow, I made a new city which was loosely based on Berlin:
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg147.imageshack.us%2Fimg147%2F6934%2F20493229st8.jpg&hash=aed35c340b162c5456eadcc376484e34af433dcf)

At some point, I realized that I was not able to build a city by just using the Lot Editor. This made me deleting my old Plugins-folder. I downloaded some important stuff from different sites and began building The Empire of Leviathan. By giving every building the status of a landmark after they were grown, I was able to build some nice-looking W2W-blocks.
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg509.imageshack.us%2Fimg509%2F5772%2F006akx.jpg&hash=867b9f8fc7381e471ec4c25b908cf72dbf2fa651)

Nowadays I try to become good at rural landscapes and small villages...
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg265.imageshack.us%2Fimg265%2F4108%2F48178597.jpg&hash=fe50fc934efdf94129fb4f95f4a844e6001994bb)


I hope it was not too boring..
Fabian ;)
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: canyonjumper on January 17, 2010, 12:31:08 PM
Nah, you weren't too boring :D

I've only been downloading CC since August, so my style hasn't changed much since then. I think the only difference is that I try to stay off the grid in suburbs.

Nice idea gking!

                        -Jordan
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: Haljackey on January 18, 2010, 08:22:29 PM
Oh no here we go...

Then: 15 oldies

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg51.imageshack.us%2Fimg51%2F2396%2Fultimatebeachoct8201159.jpg&hash=8b45164f97c6c31fccf1c1e8a62ee1489fe75293)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg188.imageshack.us%2Fimg188%2F6155%2Fcrossingsmay11751158433.jpg&hash=d5bb1e2f099e43ac3768da9003f3580df0007402)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg64.imageshack.us%2Fimg64%2F7253%2Fultimatebeachsep1102115.jpg&hash=a63d546edf2356e42d28815f255e2b28331024a9)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg51.imageshack.us%2Fimg51%2F3552%2Fcoolshallowsdec23911163.jpg&hash=ae6ca382442886b11d0f4a07f51f92eace0d3015)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg188.imageshack.us%2Fimg188%2F7343%2Fultimatebeachfeb7001158.jpg&hash=299a56b32e9bafdeefb69e97ff4b517f03a30d0e)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg188.imageshack.us%2Fimg188%2F2351%2Fsudburyjul2607116424795.jpg&hash=5a81d44797977aef190dd8975486e88ada6220e9)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg64.imageshack.us%2Fimg64%2F9882%2Fsudburyaug2401116303593.jpg&hash=48e43d5b222dc2a7128f9cae099508977a5f1dfa)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg51.imageshack.us%2Fimg51%2F4035%2Fsudburyapr2705116354135.jpg&hash=96eb6a68e5b5319360cc2a353960fea0e5bb77e5)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg704.imageshack.us%2Fimg704%2F31%2Fryansultimatecitynov303.jpg&hash=bb7fc21ad00444b232c098f2fb307c4743ab2f31)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg64.imageshack.us%2Fimg64%2F7946%2Fryansultimatecitymar113.jpg&hash=6e41a4ca4fddc4dd34047ca310391db8b4d4526d)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg37.imageshack.us%2Fimg37%2F6891%2Fryansultimatecityfeb932.jpg&hash=597fa995ac18c06c7fec508c2af9085716137088)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg51.imageshack.us%2Fimg51%2F7086%2Fryansultimatecityapr103.jpg&hash=15e7d813232004b3301054f4b290566a4fb13e6d)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg64.imageshack.us%2Fimg64%2F4964%2Fryansultimatecityapr832.jpg&hash=a4701e60e31c19c3583b61b8c6c1f14afd0760b8)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg59.imageshack.us%2Fimg59%2F6785%2Fcoolshallowsmar26961163.jpg&hash=2a5ae644fa5c15a7331d80032b2c806346fdcbe5)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg51.imageshack.us%2Fimg51%2F4584%2Fcrossingsmar81771163105.jpg&hash=4433b1e19f8474a7e4fc44d06ca6d5d92513e560)


View more old photos of mine in my SC4 archives (link in my signature).

Now: coming soon.
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: io_bg on January 19, 2010, 08:40:24 AM
These were my first shots I shared with this wonderful community... (they are from somewhere in the end of 2008)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.picvalley.net%2Fu%2F950%2F881714176.JPG&hash=54d04face7214cd51279c2f88fa899066480ae0d)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg201.imageshack.us%2Fimg201%2F921%2Fsmalltrainstationzl3.jpg&hash=bff0e93ae6b2ac7f30e261c4919ad248da2a421a)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg238.imageshack.us%2Fimg238%2F1786%2Ftowerconstructionnw2.jpg&hash=7830f3fdc7cc51a90a2941536f38bf8b61d5931f)

And here are two of my newer pictures... (more of them - in my MD :P)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg62.imageshack.us%2Fimg62%2F1261%2Fpiccomp1.jpg&hash=99815ab0b041bb466bd8a9f600c8f4058a8a3bbd)

(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg269.imageshack.us%2Fimg269%2F6305%2Fmosaic1e.jpg&hash=ce9e91efd502d96a6de73c0f98ec5c4080c36b6f)
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: k808j on January 19, 2010, 10:37:26 PM
@io

Where did you get the bridge from? We ()borg() wish to assimila-- uh use it in our cities.
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: io_bg on January 20, 2010, 08:44:33 AM
Do you mean the one in the last pic? If yes, it's a default Maxis Avenue bridge ;)
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: k808j on January 20, 2010, 11:19:56 AM
We are going to have to be more observant, never noticed it. We like also the building under construction and the tallest building across the avenue diagonally from it in the third pic. What are their names? Our hard drive deassimilated a year back and we lost all of our cities.  ()sad() Nothing like rebuilding with the new props, lots and mods.  :)
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: WillG_75 on February 03, 2010, 10:50:34 AM
My first CJ at ST, circa 2007:
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg512.imageshack.us%2Fimg512%2F3485%2Fgervilwestgo9.jpg&hash=c344b24df385fa10e9e13660905cf6fa9392e42e)

My last CJ, early 2008:
(https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg264.imageshack.us%2Fimg264%2F8752%2F11ku9.jpg&hash=12e74a9f31ca9217bafe6e759f32476f841f3a88)
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: armagin on March 07, 2010, 06:29:55 PM
I started seriously playing back in 2003... Im begining to throw up as I think of some of the horrid work from back then... perhaps somewhere deep in the annals of the internets I can find something...
Title: Re: Then and Now
Post by: frdrcklim on May 01, 2010, 09:21:14 AM
The first time I played the game was when I was just 13 years old back in 2003. My earliest cities mostly resided on Maxisland. I played this game for about 2 years, then I stopped for a while as it got boring.

One of my really first cities revisited (2003-2006)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Gzv2cXWRWiHusMVOJYOhqMPnkb0JfzLoz86I2lu3F9f4a-e4taSloyd74wlpahrLKlnV9vx-vBkQPYZOwzMGAqEaLgiSaokvSkWIx09boRTL2NBCst9axScyOQADHYRG2TgREi_yhT6RlAd3xvcQSCGQgB13kkMioJ-P6YLdpxsawimoNk8yd8DaYUIhU9SClRlvhvR5c-50AsteSJD4Ryr2g5DpQuV0RC_s4WzISoS4ylMh5nsUx0eKaFopLnf1hhT84vRKTqSSeP9qSpOC9KgWV3S4ZQt-EjyX216TDedehCbn6vjNDOHkhdvvZTtFtpEEpWujdyJO_7g2SxnmGN4sIRrR5GWLHAEuybhZtZv1sN-GVK79qcPRW4nkByskCcap-98OiYBDxAeLVQ6yRhogtwwzmny4h9ZUTLW66IrnCnGVdNdyRWpeNwt5u5BXw9XAMAfg-ZV1XvmgWf-baz7_MOD6jYEAuZKwiqXlUvIdSMAhItY_NWMZ5GwQSwzc8TuMNkCUnIEYAYl3wi84RNUzhW7KUfo8BRrIEUjL3n-UooacBK8sRSlLDbX02SyShS6ru4T_cOBIAjH9TaWFAFNr-R4ywTIcicpaJVOwGqjfzIKUI5Vh02skP-RX1JB7Wa5-ANjJ2W8rNHnTunuNcDZp0y2t3vhQah4PUhSJPeHTgOXggNQUGRipHoJo=w800-h600-no?authuser=0)

My first successful city (part of a Metropolitan Area) revisited (2003-2006)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UDuSX33bROfxIkjM39xCetyVGHxmwTUypAZhXJ4jH6mLFOsF7KKpnI7hddhXFwhphSkQo_McBPHOG4t9MER0sOAHu5Ag_4Mgg0QuzfCKZfhUylNgA-IYDy_uA0CFQUKK0txrslA65vfypHzBSNCBVbnfl9aviYVye-8EtixRPtKH2IRVYGwu_GNIsUBKvn_Vumo-39uUC4FhNIyMv1UWsyJnhF8KKItRvjyIA7dicMFYixnoNso0VM1HRu23cQ8tFFaQWgu52QtzHPiTsMj4UDrWb9f13oEhonAhd8Wv2BRFP8a2RZ6qWJzawgyZ97jbv9SaNlUtt-_SloFKWKTjaa1hnAztiXJkf3KyO679PkMid0aMKtcvoAgrCSjT9JkNjHZhlk7--UZSc2dS_16UDrEUQaUsNI4v8ZWjMyO0WQ-XuWrCivU3a8KPKAsBpjhdRwSfsiJWqEAAuHj3800C8pS-ANFRIeSDj8iiRj5q6JZOaY_g25bjPetAkRQ9LZBQRIf5SgaRBjk_ldYuZMMnMlXcwdSMaziAeyFfJOP20nkIorFfHUNQbX1SBujQEIpNKGL2WXctRYUYmUNjUq_XdtcclgRbSZWBBtCt1H255UlUsTyqeBEFhhq1jOOvgeGzaJj4KOCAZFrsUuO-ZYvGBbj9lHLUVr_X--FISMDpNkMGbeP1DG2QqENP_YA5=w800-h600-no?authuser=0)
(Yeah, the buildings are obstructing the runway $%Grinno$%)

Of course back then, I never knew about the STEX nor the LEX. When I did discover this, I've been on and off the game. SC4 manages to glue me with new stuff coming in ;D. Ever since then, I've blocked Maxis stuff so that only Custom Content would only show.

The Metropolitan Area I was referring to
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WN2S_dGkvpgRs8K4VZ1wtrI7geyuLTA8MiVzyRCh9czuwmn--SJG9dOZj8nicXsCftfmuzVAm1haLItaA1wZMUdkAq79kXgs7okFSipGWerI_LZIJv-yQvs4Wqc4w1j8fC8--SpwlljyuVhdGffPY3CfjkU4IN1Rj14adw7N4uRGnsRS9EQJVZZt1eBXPTtybQBYYwOKW-yg-XDjhHx_LKKruWcjPhEExYhm1B-plQi_ea_J3RjXw1k6EENzCsoQbDlqD9Jge8I4pygcmdLMStwzBsng8VK8zHZKaPSnZvJhiMXYzOj7xs_EhHr__w6mTZhJCnqiiKJlsJR2mibYvZVMDVaj6fA_jqfCbLr_lc-r_mqBjCsJraNQicxDfvjQ7U0u9prijga7Miqay6zn2NzRZFB6-RGT2FHczcuUjAQ5jmRR4_PRW8c1XOTSq6saADY-uPvR_WX9BcQCblagEmCftGtRnyK659uXUmhkRgEK8XAltSb4z81n2OE-XX3GyfimzCM96GAjcirKcjqWhwUdpB7R1qlDmpaUPVbezrPo4dYWTGVOMyswoJQBvn8gWL2XX6Z16FN4HwUjfLjOQvwj2zBEpJlx7WwmGtJWDikgAxSRE5gcxZDtqy9GXNAH4FpKUHy6msUFoA-2KRbipQFayyoQnlBCt_mVchZMy-7B5k-Ao4BPz5bOfgzY=w800-h600-no?authuser=0)

You can see that one part of the Metro is dominated with Custom Content as I was only starting to discover the STEX and the LEX. Since then, the ideas I've got from CJs and MDs taught me to make my cities less grid looking, which became much easier with later releases of the NAM.

Island Transformation (2008)
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Recent city I've been working on (2010)
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