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Look forward to seeing more of this.

I love canals... I never build them myself... but I love to see how others are excelling at them! :thumbsup:

A very Dutch MD.

Looking forward to see more of this.

Trots op Erik !!!

Very well made my friend: an excellent choise of buildings, street textures and canals!

Just missing the people on the streets ;)

Looking good!

It looks now 2 MD's are representing our country. I'll be sure to check this out often for more, maybe we can inspire eachother :)

Very Dutch looking city.  Reminds me of the small cities I've seen on visits to the Netherlands.  Something about it reminds me of Dokkum or perhaps Snits (Sneek in Dutch).  Heerlich!

I'll be popping in here for visits for sure.

Hup Hup Holland!

Groetjes, Douwe.

Great! ;) I like it. Dutch cities always be my favourite. Good luck!

Super start.  I don't think I saw the other CJ at the other site.  I'll have to watch for this one.

&apls &apls

Robin   :thumbsup:

I would suggest getting some cars on those streets but otherwise an excellent start that has interested me alot.

Great start...the brown brick buildings in the first couple of pics are really nice.

Great start here, Serkanner! I can't wait to see what you've got planned for future updates, and this also gives me the opportunity to ask a question I've been curious about for a while. What does the "'s-" mean? I've seen it before and always wondered what it meant!

A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile.

I began my latest update in Urland some days ago with the first three lines of Don MCLean's great Song "American Pie", and it suits fine here, too, as I am one of those who did not forget Graafsticht from the other side ...  ()stsfd()

Great combinations of Kwakelaar's Schiffenberg monastery BATs with PEG's cemetary props .. so obvious yet so hard to see ... just great ...  :satisfied:

Welcome back to the CJing / MDing!

Bernhard  :thumbsup:

Fantastic looking teasers, and yes of course we do remember Graafsticht. Very much looking forward to this.

Not a big fan of the european CJs but.... well I think that this will be worth ckecking up on again.

Quote from: thundercrack83 on October 19, 2007, 02:46:15 PM
Great start here, Serkanner! I can't wait to see what you've got planned for future updates, and this also gives me the opportunity to ask a question I've been curious about for a while. What does the "'s-" mean? I've seen it before and always wondered what it meant!

The 's is actually short for "des" and "des" is an old article in the Dutch language, comparable with German. Dutch language evolved strongly both in grammar and in spelling. One of the things is that we have removed some of the "cases" from the language.

In some city names however it survived in the "official" spelling. Examples are: 's-Gravenhage and 's-Hertogenbosch. The "easy" and modern way to spell these names = Den Haag and Den Bosch

My use of 's-Gravenveen is based on this archaic use of the Dutch language ( and I like it better then the more modern spelling )

Wonderful start there, Serkanner! Great work on these first pictures. :thumbsup:

Quote from: Serkanner on October 19, 2007, 04:58:10 PM
Examples are: 's-Gravenhage and 's-Hertogenbosch. The "easy" and modern way to spell these names = Den Haag and Den Bosch

What wake me realize that 's-Gravenveen probably will ease out into Den Veen...   ()what()

hmmmm .. thàt does not sound very sexy... I think we should start a campaing on the cities image major!   

Quote from: sebes on October 20, 2007, 06:58:37 AM
What wake me realize that 's-Gravenveen probably will ease out into Den Veen...   ()what()

hmmmm .. thàt does not sound very sexy... I think we should start a campaing on the cities image major!   

You are right about that! Den Veen indeed doesn't sound that appealing..... But maybe 's-Gravenveen is called 't Veen by it's local inhabitants?

It would be good to start a national campaign though to give all our Dutch cities a nice commercial boost through tourism, I don't know about you guys..but I have plenty of beaches with space for our German friends to dig holes in :D

Quote from: capo on October 20, 2007, 07:33:50 AM
But maybe 's-Gravenveen is called 't Veen by it's local inhabitants?

Probably pronounced as "'t Viiiiin"  Kan't nog erger ?
(no translation: I thought Den Veen was bad but Capo outdid it... ;)

Ok, sorry Serkanner for hiking your MD. Back to you and 's-Gravenveen  :thumbsup:

 :D

Please go on, I am laughing myself silly about those comments. Not to mention that a diary should be for fun and relaxation. Laughing is the best way to get both.

In all honousty I had thought about 's-Gravenveen being Den Veen ... and realized how silly it would sound. perhaps Den Venen is a slightly better? Another solution would be to let readers of the diary come up with suggestions. I do feel a bit sorry ... not too much though  :P ... for all the non-Dutch readers who will never be able to pronounce 's-Gravenveen, Scheveningen, IJsselstein, 's-Gravenhage and so on correctly ...

I am however pleasantly surprised about the very nice comments and would like to thank you all for those nice words and the visit to my new diary. At the moment I am working on the next update which should be ready in a few days. I also hope to actually have the simulation run a bit in order to indeed see some vehicles on the streets and roads.

Take care for now, and see you soon.

Wonderful to see you start a new MD Serkanner! :thumbsup:

And I love the teaser pics. excelent choice of buildings indeed. I like the name discussion held here. Well I'll stick to the full name for easy reference. Will there be a "Societeit" in 's Gravenveen for Batters and players to convene and have dinner :D ;)

I look forward to the progress my friend.

Hubert

Hello Serkanner!

I like your pictures very much, your building choice is really excellent :thumbsup:
Never have I been i Holland (only crossed it several times going from Poland to UK, but I saw only highways and reststops, not cities :))
But I have a friend from this country, one time he gave me some pictures from his hometown (I don't remember exactly wchich one, he lives on Ibiza from many years). Comparing your pictures with these photographs - very similar water color and general canals looking, the only difference are some steps on canal walls, but there are not such pieces in the canal set, and exactly the same quiet atmosphere. Kwakelaar's monastery buildings look great here, their color and texture compose very well with canals.
One more thing I saw on these photographs and don't see here: ducks :D (but maybe someone will do them in future? ;))

Great pleasure for me to look at your pictures! :thumbsup:

Quote from: Serkanner on October 20, 2007, 04:43:59 PM
I do feel a bit sorry ... not too much though  :P ... for all the non-Dutch readers who will never be able to pronounce 's-Gravenveen, Scheveningen, IJsselstein, 's-Gravenhage and so on correctly ...

*cough* Non-dutch and non-Afrikaans readers...  ::)  $%Grinno$%

Great MD here Serkanner! Looking forward to more from Holland! Nederland!  ;D

It is not easy to express how very happy I am to see so many good friends post in the diary. I also didn't expect to have this many responses already at all ...  :) 

One thing I, myself, don't like doing is to reply to every single post made in a MD. That doesn't mean I don't value responses/comments but that a repetition of pleasantries in every update is a bit much for my liking. I do appreciate any and all comments and will respond to the ones that need responding to.

The last two weeks I have worked on many aspects of Heerlijkheid 's-Gravenveen.

• A number of custom growable lots have been made.
• I ran the simulator to get to a point where those lots can grow
• Experimented with diagonal lots ... which is fun!
• Added content to the plugins folder; a never ending story  :D

For those still wondering:

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The 's is actually short for "des" and "des" is an old article in the Dutch language, comparable with German. Dutch language evolved strongly both in grammar and in spelling. One of the things is that we have removed some of the "cases" from the language.

In some city names however it survived in the "official" spelling. Examples are: 's-Gravenhage and 's-Hertogenbosch. The "easy" and modern way to spell these names = Den Haag and Den Bosch

My use of 's-Gravenveen is based on this archaic use of the Dutch language ( and I like it better then the more modern spelling )

Another interesting bit of info might be found Here! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fief) and it explains what a fiefdom is.

Why bother?

Well ... this MD is named: Heerlijkheid 's-Gravenveen and Heerlijkheid translates as Fiefdom. I have picked the name on purpose because further down this MD we will find out more about the origins of 's-Gravenveen.

A MD is nothing without pictures and that is why I have made some shots about the work in progress, and this MD is and will be a complete work in progress from begin to end. Simcity4 is a open-ended game and that is also how I play it. Pictures!

Diagonal buildings and lots. Must be a real pain to make, but i like the results. Here I have combined two creators: Krio and Prepo to see how this looks in-game ... I am not displeased about the result besides Prepo's diagonals killing my CS demand  :P


The second picture shows how I started with building the city center. I have always wanted to try to "replicate" a medieval city its fortifications. This is what I came up with. ( I'll show a zoomed-out picture in the next update )


The third and last one of this second update shows an "experiment" I am working on in combining a number of custom content packs available to us. So far I hadn't used any of these in any previous city yet so I had to try them and fit them into this MD. I think it will work-out well.


This is it for now, but I'll soon return with a third update.

Have fun!

Interesting Serkanner, seems you're making some serious work out of this MD. The medieval fortifications (looking more like renaissance)  as turned out very good, only the canons missing now.

Everything is looking good Serkanner, expect there is no my diagonal bats :P prepo's, zero7's and those Poland-bats :P

nice diagonals and seawalls - I agree diagonal buildings are really cool but the end result is perfect

keep it up,  :)

Richard

I like the way the fortifications are turning out. if you download Pegasus coastal forts you will find a cannon prop in your LE. perhaps that will be of use for you.

:)

So you did not try to take sloppet's records of getting posts while not positng one single update from "the other site"?  :D

Nice work (again) on the fortification but ...

Well, maybe it is because I come from Southwest Germany where permanently watered fortifications ware rather rare or non existent resp. destroyed somewhere between Napoleon and the Treaty of Versailles but Marast's wall's don't give me the right "Vauban" - feeling . dunno ...  &mmm

Interesting Kanal. But I don't know if these steel catenaries fit to GLR ...

Anyway I am waiting for your next pics (hoping you don't want to become sloppet II ...  :D ;) )

Bernhard  :thumbsup:

I think one Sloppet is enough for this world  ;)

A short reply to Nardo69:

When starting with working on my city I took the image I had in my mind from how Dutch cities looked like in the 16th and 17th century ( sorry Kwakelaar, you are right the fortifications are more renaissance the medieval indeed ). A large number of the Dutch cities in that time had the type of fortifications I tried to replicate. I had to use the in-game water to get the result I wanted.

Here is a picture of Amersfoort:

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Regarding GLR. I have taken the newly installed Randstadrail here in Holland as an example of the use of GLR in a densly populated conglomeration. Randstadrail connects Rotterdam - Zoetermeer - Den Haag  ... and this type of public transport uses catenaries to power the vehicles. That is why I used it too.

Examples:

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To Bengt  ... oopsies. I do have your buildings in my plugins folder but with so many variants and without distinctive icons I am not sure whose I have plopped. They are there and they will be shown in other updates ... promise.

Thanks Strechnitz/Hubert for remembering me of PEG's forts ... I will make some lots with cannons  ;D

Interesting stuff so far here, Serkanner. Your plans for your city sound fantastic, and I'll definitely be looking forward to following along as you implement them!

Serkanner, great to see these updates. THe fortifications look very nice. And so does the map of Amersfoort. Unfortunately the fortifications are now all gone... and covered with 4-lane roads.. :( But the medieval towncenter is still fantastic, even after last weeks fire. Hope that 's Gravenveen will have the Amersfoort atmosphere ?

I love your work Serkanner ... each of these pictures has the same and uncluttered ( purified ?) style . Great mastery with all sets used .

Your work with Kwakelaar's monastery BATs is more than inspiring ( a urgent need ... :D ) .That's beautiful ! :thumbsup:

My only confusion ,like for some others , is that I can't avoid to think firstly " that would need a litlle more life " , and then ... not so sure .
I don't know if it's voluntary but that's an interesting feeling . ::)

Im real curious how all of this is going to develop, Im very curious how you are going to solve the 'roundness' of many Dutch cities (like Amersfoort). Can't wait to see the Randstadrail ride, or if it's any like the real thing: watch it derail :D

Yes, this is what I meant: we have a very different background regarding fortification (which is not bad at all).

When I think about a fortifications I think of Vauban - style Fortifications like Neuf Brisach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuf-Brisach) or the 19th century New-Prussian style fortifications like Germersheim  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germersheim) (which is in fact a New Bavarian Fortification) and go on chronological until the forts of Verdun (which has been fortified before by Vauban, too) even though places like the Fort Douaumont (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douaumont) or the Fort Vaux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Vaux) don't have anything romantic at all for those who have a glimpse what had happened there 91 years ago ...

Unfortunately I never saw the netherland style fortification even though I would like ...

About the catenaries, well the catenaries you used on the GLR are "Big Railway Cateneri". A detail loving railway fan like me does see the difference but on the other hand it does look better than without ...

Hi Serkanner,

It's taken me a while to discover this MD.  I have to say I love the Dutch buildings, canals and general atmosphere.  There are plenty of Dutch BATS about so I am very interested to see how 's-Gravenveen develops.

Of course, I don't understand the Dutch language (you know how lazy us English are with languages!), but can the short name for your city be Den Graaven??  Not sure what it means but I like the sound of it ()what() ??? ()what().

Paul

Not a real update but a fast picture to show you I am working on the next instalment, and that will also include replies to comments.

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Nice looking picture there! Looking forward to more...

Great start-I like your use kwakelers BATs :)

Nice looking teaser, that cathedral really is a beauty....a big beauty :)

i love NL citys and i was in most of them
You did a good job and all this W2W stuff is not easy to handl
im looking forward to your update  :thumbsup:

Looking forward full excitement to the next update Serkanner  %BUd%

Stunning teaser, Serkanner! I can't wait to see the next update, my friend!

wonderful choice Serkanner. the great bat of the Haarlem Cathedral has been underapreciated until now. I am happy to see that you will do it justice &apls

Strech.

Teaser is good, but I can guess what the next update will be :P

Quote from: Bengt on November 12, 2007, 02:56:39 PM
Teaser is good, but I can guess what the next update will be :P

If you can then you should post it  :P

Nice work Serkanner!

As I was drewling over Your work I noticed that You´ve used some catenary that I haven´t seen before, especially the GLR in the lower left part of this picture:

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I haven´t had much time for SC4 lately due to RLS striking me hard both at work and at home, so I haven´t been to the LEX yet but maybe the catenary can be found there?

Now I´m looking forward to the next part of Your teaser!

Quote from: Serkanner on November 12, 2007, 03:02:49 PM
If you can then you should post it  :P

:D but I'm too lazy to recreate your city :D

In the light of the new restrictions of the MD department I request to move this MD to the completed section. Thank you.

Oh no, what a pity! :(
Why?

What stricter MD rules?

Strechnitz.

Hello Erik,

I hope you will find some time in future to return to your MD  :)
I like it very much and I'm sure I'm not the only one  :thumbsup:

All of us have much more things to do than SC4, so don't hurry, but if you will find any pleasure in continuing this MD in future, it will be a pleasure for me too  :)

Cheers
Adam