mcdrye - B.A.T. it again

mcdrye · December 20, 2010, 02:11:19 PM

Thanks guys! Yes Robin, eventually there will be a lot of variation, but to speed up release time I'm releasing a basic 'starter pack' then add-ons will follow.

The starter will include at least:

1x1 Straight (I'm looking at also doing 1x4 and 1x8 versions for the starter)
90 degree turn
SSR to GLR piece
2 end pieces (maybe more)

vester · December 20, 2010, 02:39:12 PM

Fantastic!

Would love to try my luck doing a station for it.
Any change for a copy of the model and textures ?

What about doing a piece with the side of a road/light rail bridge ?
(a bit like in the canal sets)

Girafe · December 20, 2010, 04:30:14 PM

Amazing set in preparation

I really like your textures, even if your lots are small, their quality is impressive.

Hope to see this pack soon in the LEX with future development

cubby420 · December 20, 2010, 06:34:29 PM

Wow, I have been waiting on these for so long, I figured they were all but dead. Glad to see you back working on them...I'm sure they will be a hit. The new design is excellent and I love the weathered look. I feel however, like at ground level I can see a lot of tiny black lines and imperfections. Maybe because you used NOB's sunken lots instead of some of your own design...maybe not.

Just out of curiosity, what will be the size of the 90 degree piece? Are we talking like 2x2 or more spaced out for realism's sake? Also, any chance of including a SSR to heavy rail piece down the line?

The Lucky Penny looks promising as well.

Ciuu96 · December 21, 2010, 12:30:07 AM

Great to see this alive again, been so long that I thought that this was dead. Great work, waiting these really hard!

Are you going also to make stations for these or let other people handle that? (and perhaps release a basic model set for easier station creation?)

serebii666 · January 06, 2011, 05:04:45 PM

It's great that you didn't give up on this amazing project! And from what I can make of the sign, the casino will be great too.

MR.Y · January 07, 2011, 02:10:15 PM

Is it for the Subway? I though for the normal railway...if it is for normal railway, you could make catenarys and put away the metium rail. but looks good so far....

WC_EEND · January 07, 2011, 04:37:03 PM

Mr. Y, have you ever been to London? If so, have you taken the District, Circle or Hammersmith & City line? The reason I'm asking you this question is simply because these trenches are meant to mimic the ones found in London on parts of the aforementioned lines, so yes this is for the subway.
And for the record: regular rail in England gets its power from a third rail as well

I hope this made things a bit clearer for you

Xander

mcdrye · January 08, 2011, 06:58:51 PM

Thanks for the uplifting comments guys!

Also yes MR.Y, WC_EEND is totally correct! London Underground use only electric rail, pne for positive current and one for negative, see here

Right, I've been working on the end piece for the SSR but I've hit a wall (and so have the trains) with regards to visible automata.

When automata reach the end of an end-piece and appear to enter a tunnel/arch, they disappear, as to be expected since it is leaving the lot. So I tried placing 2 end pieces in a 1x4 lot with an avenue passing through the middle so that trains would seem to pass underneath. I don't think it is possible though to transit enable a lot with 2 modes of transport (it already has El-Rail to display automata).

Is there a way around this? I was thinking of having bridge arches as props so trains could pass freely underneath but that still wouldn't allow roads etc to cross over it. I could just have a 1x1 lot with the end-piece but automata would appear and disappear, and U-Drive would be unusable.

On a lighter note, I'll be posting a picture (or two) of the Lucky Penny Casino very soon...

jp · January 09, 2011, 06:04:46 AM

maybe you can have them connect to the NAM underground rail pieces somehow? like how buddybud's underpass lots and NOB's sunken GLR lots the connect with the FLUPs puzzle pieces

WC_EEND · January 09, 2011, 06:19:20 AM

NAM underground rail pieces use heavy rail paths placed underground if I'm not mistaken, so that method would require a transit switch first

On a totally unrelated matter: is that photo the District line at Edgware Road station?

Xander

Ciuu96 · January 09, 2011, 07:03:11 AM

Quote from: WC_EEND on January 09, 2011, 06:19:20 AM
NAM underground rail pieces use heavy rail paths placed underground if I'm not mistaken, so that method would require a transit switch first

Aren't these pieces also using heavy rail paths? As far as I know, subway ~~doesn't display automata~~ (wait, after some googling I'm not so sure anymore

) and doesn't support UDI, so these pieces are either for heavy rail or el-rail, which both have their underground variations in NAM.

WC_EEND · January 09, 2011, 10:51:20 AM

Quote from: Ciuu96 on January 09, 2011, 07:03:11 AM
Aren't these pieces also using heavy rail paths? As far as I know, subway ~~doesn't display automata~~ (wait, after some googling I'm not so sure anymore ) and doesn't support UDI, so these pieces are either for heavy rail or el-rail, which both have their underground variations in NAM.

I'm not sure how NOB's sunken GLR paths work (mostly because I lack the technical knowledge to understand), but as far as I know, he used a a few tricks to display some form of automata. Also, PEG has released a subway station with visible tracks, but he just used timed props to give the impression of automata passing through the station.

mcdrye · January 09, 2011, 11:00:08 AM

Hmm I think I see a potential solution forming!

Like NOB's lots, the SSR is pathed for El-Rail, this is why, with the right LODs, automata is visible.

I forgot about NAM's pieces, I'll have a look at how they work but if the transport switches from El-Rail to Heavy Rail, wouldn't the automata disappear anyway? I'm going to check it out though, if NOB's pieces connect to it fine then mine would!

@WC_EEND: Nearly right! It's the District Line (also Hammersmith & City Line), but at Whitechapel Station.

Ciuu96 · January 09, 2011, 11:30:16 AM

Quote from: mcdrye on January 09, 2011, 11:00:08 AM
I forgot about NAM's pieces, I'll have a look at how they work but if the transport switches from El-Rail to Heavy Rail, wouldn't the automata disappear anyway? I'm going to check it out though, if NOB's pieces connect to it fine then mine would!

Automata would not dissapear, as NAM also has FLUPs for GLR, which have underground el-rail paths.

Here you can see those pieces in action with NOBs sunken GLR.

mcdrye · January 09, 2011, 12:56:44 PM

Success! Sorta...

Thank you so much for the FLUP suggestion everyone! Works like a charm now, except the FLUP piece has slightly lower pathing, would it be possible for them to provide a piece with a higher path?

WC_EEND · January 09, 2011, 01:14:06 PM

good to see it working out for you, you might want to get a bit of help from the NAM team for the paths. I reckon this happens because FLUPS are pathed at -15m and your SSR pieces are -7,5m (as mentioned a few pages ago).

on a side note: it's kind of weird to see Northern/Jubilee line stock running on subsurface lines

Xander

io_bg · January 09, 2011, 01:20:05 PM

Quote from: WC_EEND on January 09, 2011, 01:14:06 PMFLUPS are pathed at -15m and your SSR pieces are -7,5m (as mentioned a few pages ago).

I'm afraid FLUP pieces are pathed at -10 metres instead of -15

Anyway, great work, mcdrye!

art128 · January 09, 2011, 01:34:44 PM

Nice to see it working, can't wait to see it with the good path elevation !

WC_EEND · January 09, 2011, 01:37:36 PM

whoops, my mistake, thanks for correcting me though Ioan

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