CAM - General Discussions

[BarbyW]

In my early testing of Beta7 today I had one stage 7 farm grow. I shall return to this region later once I have adjusted some stats on my beta stage 4-7 farms. This city only has farms and residentials at the moment.

[BarbyW]

I have been making more stage 4-7 farms for testing purposes and developing farming only cities. During discussions about these higher stage farms we decided that the stage 6 and 7 should be a different and a bit specialised. Stage 6 at the moment are park/woodland type farms and stage 7 are historical sites. So what to use as the buildings? Well initially the Maxis landmarks have been made into farms for stage 7 and today I had two grow in a newly developed agricultural city. I have used gshmails' radical Black Hole lots for power, water and garbage as I am testing the growth of the higher stage farms. The city only has agricultural and residential zoning but I have accepted some of the BSC farming rewards to give some CS jobs. The only services provided are fire stations and clinics.

An overview of the city. As you can see there is still scope for new zones.



The first of the Maxis landmarks to grow as a farm is the Great Pyramid. It looks a bit odd among the rest of the farms



The second to grow - the Sphynx. It needs to have its fields changed to a sand field



There are other historical sites in the city but these are the most obvious.

[RippleJet]

Great news Barby!
I'll fill in with some more technical background for the farming in CAM.

Stages 1-3 will all be enabled right from the beginning, giving a much greater variety of farms, and with a percentual ratio of 50/30/20.
With the CAM you will never have the situation where stage 3 takes over almmost completely with 70%, and only Pedriana plants growing as is the case with unmodded SC4.

Stage 4, which will be water capped, will in CAM start to grow as soon as the regional industrial capacity (regional ID+IM+IHT) surpasses 500.
Stage 5, which will be fire capped, will in CAM start to grow as soon as the regional industrial capacity (regional ID+IM+IHT) surpasses 5,000.
At that stage all five farm stages have an equal, 20%, chance of growing.

Stage 6, woodland preserves, is set to grow when the regional industrial capacity surpasses 50,000.
These are set to grow with a chance of only 5%, and will provide some other benefits in addition to providing a decreasing number of farming jobs.

Stage 7, historical landmarks, is in Beta 7 (for testing purposes) set to grow as normal farms when the regional industrial capacity surpasses 100,000.
In the final release these are meant to be much harder to get, with a threshold of maybe 500,000, and a chance to grow of only 1%.
Albeit still growing as farms, these are indeed planned to be like landmarks, providing mayor rating, and residential and/or commercial desirability factors.
They will also have a higher building value, providing more tax income than ordinary farms, and they will also be considerably more expensive to bulldoze.

Stage 7 "farms" are intended as a drive for metropolis builders to continue farming their outskirts, hoping for a chance to have the occasional landmark growing on its own.
Since they are still farms, you will never be able to have them growing in the commercial downtown, they would only be growing in the uneducated silent outskirts of a metropolis.

[BarbyW]

A new city and some more pictures. First the Census Information:



The CAMeLots in the city:



Overview of part of the city:



And a new landmark - the Parthenon growing amid olive groves.

[mightygoose]

i think this will create a whole host of new scope for ruins and old castles, old monasteries.... country estates. now they will be much harder to obtain if used in this way. fantastic.

[callagrafx]

But which poor sod is going to BAT the 100,000 slaves and Egyptians with massive, massive whips for the construction phase of the Pyramids?

[mightygoose]

hmmm its so crazy its tempting....

[MAS71]

Hi all
I hava report of my cities with CAM(Beta7).
I tried to make a "Skyscraper" with R$ and C$ buildings at medium Map.

<Files I used and other MODD>
+ColossusAddonMod_Beta7.dat  (demand -6,000 to +240,000)
+CAM_Maxis_Growable_Landmarks.dat
+CAM_5%_R$$_Working_in_CS$_IR_and_ID.dat
+NetworkAddonMod_Traffic_Plugin_BetterPathfinding_CAM_Betav03_Ped10.dat
and few Test Lots for CAM

-MODD and Othres-
+NAM with original pathfinding fo CAM.
+Radical Ordinance V2.0 by ralphaelninja ---- used ordinances only about "Power", "Water" and "Waste".
+Some high capacity "Hospital LOTs" and "School LOTs" by NOB san's


At first,
I made 5 cities connected as follows. (1 meddium MAP and  4 small surrounding maps.)



- 1st year to 30 years -
It begins and the city has grown up comparatively slowly until 30 years.
and  The CS$$ building of stage 8 appeared for the first time. 





- 31 year to 60 years -
This period built in succession the buildings in an over 8 stage and queued up.





- 80 years -
The growth of a recent city has advanced an explosive speed!!
however, It had big problems in this city.
These are "Garbage Polution" and "Electricity shortage".
The problem attacked a hardly the city without mercy though it used "Ordinance MODD".

I had to make the city for further one "Supply of the electric power" and "Disposal of Garbege".
A Buildings that over stage 8 are consumes a large amount of electric power, and appears one after another huge garbage.
(These set values are set by a temporary numerical value. )
I thought that I had to review these settings in CAMelots.



- to 125 years -
A lot of buildings have gone to devastated because of the electricity shortage and garbage.
It needed years of about 30 years by the time the demand balance of the city was greatly driven mad, and it was steady.

I have not looked at the building of stage 15 in this city yet.
However, it is built certainly here a lot of high stage's CO$,CS$,R$ buildings (Stage 11,12,13,14).






By the way,
I was able to see I$-R LOT in a high stage on the other one agricultural city.

(Thank you Barby san for your unique test-LOTs )



however,
I have a little doubts in the demand for agriculture and the development of agriculture. 
I want to test it a little more. 


Thank you for reading.

[Zaphod]

Too cool

I wonder what this could do for high stage residential development. Arcos? And even on the lower end of the spectrum, fancy condos and urban 'McMansions' on 2*1 low density lots anyone?

But which poor sod is going to BAT the 100,000 slaves and Egyptians with massive, massive whips for the construction phase of the Pyramids?

A BAT slave of course... With barbyw holding the whip

[BarbyW]

zaphod: you have been lurking at Peg's I have put my whip away these days.

[RippleJet]

Thank you for an extensive report, Mas-san!

I have not looked at the building of stage 15 in this city yet.
However, it is built certainly here a lot of high stage's CO$,CS$,R$ buildings (Stage 11,12,13,14).

Since a lot of the interest around the CAM is about those stage 15 buildings, I'll show you the percentual chance that these will grow, depending on the regional thresholds:


The thresholds for the residential stages is the regional residential capacity:

Stage 15 Occurrence	1%	2%	4%	7%	9%
R$	1,263,624	1,579,530	1,974,413	2,468,016	3,085,020
R$$	1,421,070	1,776,338	2,220,423	2,775,529	3,469,411
R$$$	1,579,530	1,974,413	2,468,016	3,085,020	3,856,275

The thresholds for the commercial office stages is the total regional commercial (CS+CO) capacity:

Stage 15 Occurrence	1%	2%	4%	7%	9%
CO$$	630,976	788,720	985,900	1,232,375	1,540,469
CO$$$	788,720	985,900	1,232,375	1,540,469	1,925,586

The thresholds for the commercial service stages is also the total regional commercial (CS+CO) capacity:

Stage 15 Occurrence	1%	2%	2%	2%	3%
CS$	473,593	591,991	739,989	924,986	1,156,233
CS$$	630,976	788,720	985,900	1,232,375	1,540,469
CS$$$	788,720	985,900	1,232,375	1,540,469	1,925,586

Looking at Mas71's regional capacities (second column from the right in the last Census Repository Facility query), we notice that:

1. The regional residential capacity is 1,616,810
    Thus:
    - the chance for a stage 15 R$ to appear whenever an R$ building is growing is 2% (threshold 1,579,530)
    - the chance for a stage 15 R$$ to appear whenever an R$$ building is growing is 1% (threshold 1,421,070)
    - the chance for a stage 15 R$$$ to appear whenever an R$$$ building is growing is 1% (threshold 1,579,530)

2. The regional commercial capacity is 593,437
    Thus:
    - CO$$, CO$$$, CS$$ ans CS$$$ buildings won't appear yet (capacity below the 1% threshold)
    - the chance for a stage 15 CS$ to appear whenever a CS$ building is growing is 2% (threshold 591,991)

[mightygoose]

i think i am starting to get the hang of all this.

[shoreman905]

I just wanted to stop by and show off the sig Calligrafx designed for CAM testers. 

[MAS71]

Thank you Ripplejet san for a polite very comprehensible explanation

I think that this is really wonderful MODD
It is not limited to existence of "Over stage-8" alone.

I am wishing it to be completed early.

[BarbyW]

i think i am starting to get the hang of all this.

Then you are doing better than I am and I'm testing it

[MAS71]

Hi everyone

" I'm tired very much....... "
His the word was left, and turn one's back to to the mayor room.
Afterwards, nobody knows where he has gone.
There was only a skyscraper that shone by dazzling there.
-fin



Apparently, I seem to have been deserted by the God of SIMCITY.
My cities were grow up very huge. They reached even 15 cities.
however, I coudl not have ever seen buildings of stage-15(R$, CO$)
and there has gone mad.


I had waite then with made much of zone "C$ 4x8" for "E.S.Building" long time.(LOTs of stage-15 CO$$$)
but He never showed up in front of me.  (LOL)


Ok,
I end the citiy making for the time being once now.
and I'll begin a making a CAM's city again with a New-NAM.
by the way,
Is a file "NetworkAddonMod_Traffic_Plugin_BetterPathfinding_CAM_Betav03_Pedxx.dat" divert with New-NAM?
Could I use these files with New-NAM??


Thank you


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@Andreas
Thank you for answer quickly
Ok, I'll chenge these files of CAM for "Traffic Controller" of New-NAM
and I continue the Test of CAM.
Thank you again Andreas
(before, Thank you very much for sharing a New-NAM!! I already announced the information about it at once. )


@Ripplejet
For a Beta test CAM.
At this stage, are there the points to observe in particular on the CAM?
What should I watch closely to CAM after this?
Give me some homework please (lol)

[Andreas]

Is a file "NetworkAddonMod_Traffic_Plugin_BetterPathfinding_CAM_Betav03_Pedxx.dat" divert with New-NAM?
Could I use these files with New-NAM??

Yes, it should still work. Just make sure to delete the default traffic plugin that gets installed by the NAM installer.

[mightygoose]

great new shots from beta7, most interested at the 3 month and 1 year projections for commercial. is that saying by the end of game year there will be demand for 37000 new jobs regionwide or citywide. if so isnt that alot for one years growth....

[RippleJet]

great new shots from beta7, most interested at the 3 month and 1 year projections for commercial. is that saying by the end of game year there will be demand for 37000 new jobs regionwide or citywide. if so isnt that alot for one years growth....

You should download the Census Repository Facility and try it out yourself, mightygoose.

If you hover above those columns in the query, you would have known that those columns are not showing demand, they are showing the actual change in capacity this city has seen over the past 3 months and 12 months respectively. Obviously Masuda-san's city is still growing, albeit a little slower the last 3 months.

[mightygoose]

oh i think i will. so its a past not future display. i thought it was a prediction.