plop → grow help please.

[thingfishs]

I have looked at an old tutorial on doing this but it was pre-SC4PIM and I figured that it would make the job simpler now. The lot I am modifying is a concert hall.
I have dragged the model onto the stage 6 CS$$$ bit to make a new exemplar. I then opened this in reader, and in noticing how few properties were now in the exemplar I decided to copy some of the other properties from the original. It's not growing... Can anyone see what the problem might be:



It's a large block at 5x7, which I have specifically zoned for. However I suspect the settings could probably be improved anyway.
I am using CAM and want it to be compatible... Can anyone suggest any more appropriate settings for a high wealth classical concert hall?

thanks a lot.

[SeanSC4]

If you wanted a new Stage 6 CS$$$ then you only need to drag the model to the appropriate stage in PIM-X. Why did you copy some of the original properties (and which ones) to the new exemplar? Did you test to see if it would grow prior to copying over the new properties? Did you zone the proper density commercial to correspond to what is listed in the .sc4lot file (sometimes it gets listed as only growing on medium density for instance)?

5x7 is an awkward dimension to begin with but it should be growing (especially if it's only stage 6) fairly readily in a developed city.

[thingfishs]

Thanks,

I copied everything from wealth down, is capacity satisfied sorted out some other way? and construction time, pollution etc etc

As for stage etc I took a stab in the dark, any suggestions for more appropriate anything welcomed.

[SeanSC4]

Well you can set the capacity satisfied to whatever you want really but you tend to want to keep the densities in line with those listed here:

http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=1987.0

This keeps things aligned with how they setup the stages in the CAM for upgrading to successively higher stages. Make sure the settings are aligned with the LotConfigPropertyZoneTypes, LotConfigPropertyWealthTypes, and LotConfigPropertyPurposeTypes properties. A mismatch WILL prevent the lot from ever growing.

I must ask however. If you created a stage 6 CS$$$ exemplar using PIM-X by dragging the model over then it should have created the exemplar properly for you. Was there a need for you to manually copy over the properties rather than using the ones provided for you?

[thingfishs]

OK, thanks for that.

I used the properties provided for me, but copied those extra ones over as well.

So what about construction time, pollution, water consumed, cranes etc?

[SeanSC4]

Honestly, I never touch any of those properties. I can only think of one lot that I ever found the need to severely alter. The growable lot based on fukuda's steel mill had massive pollution output and I got annoyed with it and changed it. You'll find the occasional lot that is set to autobuild or to not show a crane too but it's pretty simply to set those properties if they really annoy you.  Otherwise, I've tended to leave the initial settings alone. I've modified and/or CAMified dozens of buildings and tend to be far more concerned with the following:

a) what stage does the building look like it should occupy for a given project I'm working on
b) based on the stage I choose, what capacity does it satisfy (the chart I linked previously is vital)
c) what densities do I want the lot to grow in (sometimes I want to restrict this artificially)

Your best bet ultimately is to simply mimic another building's values of the same stage. I tend to build sandbox cities so budgets and power/water needs are rarely an issue.

[thingfishs]

Well I do want to learn about all that other stuff at some point, but for now I just want to see this building grow. I have tried two versions, stage 6 & 7 CS$$$ (both just using the default SC4PIM settings). I have zoned 5x7 using control, and waited plenty of time but so far nothing. This is in a city of 475,00 with very high CS$$$ demand....?

As I said earlier I really don't know how to classify it. I am trying to make a growable, CAM-patible version of this building, the Pomeranian Philharmonic, uploaded by adrian10 earlier this year:



What settings would people set this building at?

[RippleJet]

I have dragged the model onto the stage 6 CS$$$ bit to make a new exemplar.

That's where everything went wrong...

In order to create a CS$$$ building, drag it to:
Building -> R-C-I -> Commercial Service -> (CS $$$) High Wealth.

Never drag anything directly to a category under Lots...

Once the building exemplar is done, right-click and Create a growable lot using this building.
The growth stage depends on the size of the lot, so you will never know beforehand if the lot is actually going to be a stage 6...

[SeanSC4]

I'm so used to creating new lots in the manner Ripplejet listed that I assumed the use of the two-step method.

[thingfishs]

 

Right, now I get it. Thankyou Ripplejet
This also explains why some of the lots I made for SimMedieval weren't growing. 
I was making things so much harder than they actually are. It ended up as a stage 4 which I shifted up to stage 5.

and thanks again sean, got there in the end. (now your posts make sense )