Prepo's BAT thread

[ejc]

Prepo = SC4-Europe-Hero 

[RippleJet]

Prepo W2W Orthogonal

All Prepo's 13 orthogonal w2w buildings are now available on 22 different lots, beautifully lotted by VillaV.

[iamgoingtoeatyou]

sweet! now i can really make helsinki excellent job guys

[Schulmanator]

Those TOTALLY ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Adept2Rock]

Yeah!So really good!!

[Krio]

I cry, because I'm happy 

[SC4BOY]

Hi all.. beautiful bat work here..

I don't normally use this kind of lot because it is rare in my area, so I build things I know about.

I dl'd your package recently just for a look.. I was stunned by the number of residents you have in your buildings.. They seem extremely high. I'm sure you have your reasons for doing this, but it seems completely out of line with anything "real". I suppose you just do this so you can have high population cities without skyscrapers?

EDIT: haha.. pretend I didn't say any of that.. 

[RippleJet]

I dl'd your package recently just for a look.. I was stunned by the number of residents you have in your buildings.. They seem extremely high. I'm sure you have your reasons for doing this, but it seems completely out of line with anything "real". I suppose you just do this so you can have high population cities without skyscrapers?

Actually, they have all been modded using Wouanagain's "X Tool", which performs the capacity calculations in line with those settings Maxis used for all their buildings in the game.

All formulas Maxis used (and to a certain degree implemented also in the Plugin Manager) are based on the dimensions of the bat, or more exactly the width, depth and height of the LOD box bounding the bat.

What Maxis left out, is the element that has been added by the "X Tool": Filling Degree.
The "X Tool" is better at calculating the capacity according to the formulas Maxis developed than Maxis themselves...

The default filling degree is 0.5, and using that value, you would get exactly the same occupancy as Maxis gave their buildings.
Wall-to-wall buildings typically have a filling degree well above 0.5 though.
These w2w houses by Prepo have generally been given a filling degree between 0.6 and 0.7.

The in-game buildings these will be competing against should actually have a similar increase in their filling degree...
They are all taking up more than 50% of the LOD box bounding them. Maybe CAM 2.0 will correct these...

The picture below shows a few of these buildings, all on 2x2 lots:



From left to right:

Kapteeninkatu	by Prepo	390 R§§
Wilsonoff Condos	by Maxis	267 R§§
Somers Place	by Maxis	281 R§§
Manning Condos	by Maxis	246 R§§
Katajanokka	by Prepo	304 R§§
Kruunuvuori	by Prepo	309 R§§
Holiday Hi-Hut Condos	by Maxis	246 R§§
Small Condos	by Maxis	335 R§§

The Small Condos above with 335 inhabitants is the largest midrise R§§ available by Maxis.
The next one after that is the Jolly Manor with a capacity of 982.

And if you're playing only the Euro tileset, the jump is even longer, to the Beigestone Hirise with a capacity of 1,488 R§§.

There should definitely be more houses available between those two...
A gap at least European players can fill with Prepo's w2w houses!

[SC4BOY]

Umm.. well I don't have the Xtool.. but the numbers you show above look reasonable to me.. and maybe I've made a BIG goof and it wasn't Prepo's lots.. the ones I looked at had populations in the 1500-2000+ range.. I'll go back and look.. GOSH I hope I didn't goof.. if I did I'm really sorry.. I'll report back for my dose of crow if appropriate..

edit: Well I've gone back and looked ALL THROUGH all the building I was looking at (in my defense I did have about 5 mil worth of buildings installed  hehe) and I can't find ANY building with the high numbers.. The only thing I could have done is thought I was clicking Prepo's and was hitting a LOD of a skyscraper in front.. sorry...

Serve up that big plate of crow! 

[ejc]

time to recreate helsinki...

I started a few months ago.... 

don't ask me anything for now... Just wait & see 

[Jasoncw]

Prepo, I think you should move to the United States and make BATs from Michigan.  Eliel Saarinen did it, you should too.   

[Krio]

Prepo, I think you should move to the United States and make BATs from Michigan.  Eliel Saarinen did it, you should too.   

prepo has made one proposed tower for Michigan which was planned by Saarinen. 

[Strechnitz]

These certanly are sweet!

I can't wait to grow these ingame. they are such a nice addition to the stock of buildings.

Strech.

[Glenni]

I got a bone to pick with Eliel Saarinen... Obviously he lost all taste he's ever had when he designed this ...thing.


Yes folks, this is the American Embassy in Norway. What was he thinking?!

[prepo]

@ prepo:
This "forgotten building" ... is it for diagonal 90° corners that include two tiles?

It's for diagonal 90° corners but the size is only 1 "diagonal" tile (same as my other smaller diagonal 90° corner buildings).

I got a bone to pick with Eliel Saarinen... Obviously he lost all taste he's ever had when he designed this ...thing.

This is actually design by Eliel's son, Eero Saarinen. Not a masterpiece I think, but Eero designed also the TWA building at JFK airport and the Gateway Arch of St. Louis.

..and if you want to see another ugly embassy building, here is the Norwegian Embassy in Helsinki by Eyvind Retzius and Svein Bjöland

[Jasoncw]

prepo has made one proposed tower for Michigan which was planned by Saarinen. 

Do you mean the Chicago Tribune Tower?  It's in Chicago though, which is not in Michigan.   

[RippleJet]

A retextured, re-rendered and relotted (by M4346) Meritorni is now available on the LEX.



Two growable 3x3 lots are included:
     - Stage 8 R§§
     - Stage 9 R§ (requires CAM)

[jayo]

Just downloaded it 

[Strechnitz]

Great!

Thanks!

Strech.

[SC4BOY]

A retextured, re-rendered and relotted (by M4346) Meritorni is now available on the LEX.

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Got it installed.. haven't grown it yet..